Topic: Happy New Salt + What's on your mind 2012: CHILL YOUR HEAD (Read 116275 times)

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also: I'm still pirating stuff.
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Yo bein able to admit you were wrong is a huge deal and we're definitely happy to have a dude who can see somethin like that and change his mind around here.  We're not gonna DISOWN YOU.
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well good. I guess I'm only speaking for myself but I don't think anyone can hold it against you esp. if you realize where you were wrong. and so what if you were being stupid everyone's pretty stupid sometimes

Another reason I so ardently defended it is that it makes both my parents and my other libertarian friend to be totally unethical. And I have like a brain block keeping me from thinking less of them. (With exception of maybe my dad, I think less of him all the time)
nah they're probably just ignorant

I'm seeing a lot of sweet potato fries at different places now, Carl's Jr (hardees), Burger King think. I have to say I'm ok with this. I like sweet potato fries.
they're really greasy at Burger King's
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lol some random dude just noticed my music interface and bigass headphones and he's like are you a musician I'm from Boston and want to check out some local bands you got a business card? I give him my web address instead and he leaves and this happens in the span of like 20 seconds

somebody not from the internet cares about my music

I dunno maybe he has a blogu or something. That ODD TIME SIGNATURE RADIO gig is going nowhere so far
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Yeah warped good on you for thinking about it and admitting you were wrong, it's not easy to do and you're better for it.
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The only thing in Chik-Fil-A's side that I remain the same on is that guy that harassed that chik-fil-a employee was being a fucking asshole.
I actually went and looked that up, and I forgot to mention it in my last post but yeah that was a filthy thing to do. Their employees are just bystanders trying to make a living, you can't take it out on them.

And yeah like Vellfire says, you need to swallow an incredible amount of pride in order to say "I was wrong", especially after putting yourself on the line like that, so I think it's great you've decided to review your stance on this. I'd figure just about 0.001% of the population has the capability to do that. So you can be proud of having done this.
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I dunno maybe he has a blogu or something. That ODD TIME SIGNATURE RADIO gig is going nowhere so far
I have to confess that I hadn't checked out your music before just now, but I went and listened to the two songs on your Bandcamp site and they rule.
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eat chick-fil-a all you want. fuck liberal-identity-politics-as-consumer-choice, social change isn't a matter of consuming habits. You buy just about anything and you're putting money in the pockets of some scumbag doing bad shit somewhere.

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all of my money is tightly rolled up and pushed into my dick hole because i want to prevent it from going somewhere where someone is doing something i don't like
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eat chick-fil-a all you want. fuck liberal-identity-politics-as-consumer-choice, social change isn't a matter of consuming habits. You buy just about anything and you're putting money in the pockets of some scumbag doing bad shit somewhere.
Yeah but in most cases you have no choice. You literally can't buy a computer without oppressing some poor guy in a Nigerian mine and some Chinese guy putting it together, and probably a whole string of people in between. Same for cell phones and tons of other common items.
But in this case you actually do have a choice. Stop eating at Chick-fil-a, go to literally any of its competitors, and you'll stop funding the FRC. It's not difficult and you're hardly going out of your way to do it. Granted, you'll still be contributing to the practical torture of livestock and a ton of other things, but at least you'll have stopped funding those guys. It's not a matter of liberal identity politics or forcing social change, it's about not funding scumbags, which is very easy to do in this particular case.
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i never ate chick fil a before, are they just like a more sandwich-oriented KFC?
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it's a pretty moot point honestly, and really i don't dig the brow-beating moralism that surrounds this sorta shit. I generally don't eat fast food so i wasn't even really aware of this, but really I can't really bring myself to rag on someone over going through a drive-thru for some salty fried chicken just like i wouldnt get on someone's case over shopping at wal-mart or target.
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Yeah, I can get why you wouldn't like this, but I don't think the "if you're going to boycott something, you have to boycott everything" argument really applies in this case. If someone told me to boycott Apple because their factories employ virtual slaves to do the work, I'd say no. Same for a ton of other things. If you're going to start doing that it becomes extremely hard, probably impossible, not to be hypocritical because literally every other alternative is just as bad. But it's a lot easier in this particular case because the reason for the boycott is something that's unique. Nobody else does this. So I don't consider it hypocritical. But I can get why you'd have a hard time agreeing to this. I think the reason you mention is really the only legit reason for not going along with this.

And you don't have to rag on anyone about this. It's something you can personally decide to do. Those FRC guys are pretty insane, and I honestly couldn't personally justify having anything to do with these people. I wouldn't feel right about it.
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I don't think it's a legitimate reason, what he's saying is really vague. When you generalize it to well the whole world is upside down, why make a stink over this, then this paralysis arises because what are we supposed to do instead? What are these all-encompassing actions we could be taking to overthrow exploitation and oppression in all its forms at once? If there's a political action you can take simply by conscious inaction, then why not do it? It's friggin fried chicken! And besides that, not everyone is politically active and creating a climate of public opinion that is against these shitheads isn't a bad thing.

Making someone feel a little shitty over something like this - you pay for this product, then here is one very easily provable negative result of that - isn't really such a bad thing at all. Warped will remember this particular thing, and it's a good learning experience to be shown up like this every once in a while. Chiming in with the kind of comment you seem to be making just confuses the issue and doesn't really offer any alternative. He's clearly an impressionable guy at this point and might snap back to thinking 'see! i knew nothing mattered!'. Just because it isn't his fault he lives in a terrible world doesn't mean he shouldn't feel crappy about it. I mean he's taking it pretty seriously, apparently, that he is wrong and all that, but nobody is saying he's a stupid peon why don't you go stuff your fat face etc, people are laying it out for him and I think everyone is making sense.

I'm not saying that I am an ethical consumer or any such nonsense but I do make choices to avoid products based on ethical concerns sometimes, because it really is the least I can do, and there is a logical argument there for it. I'll take that over your attitude here because it is actually defined. Plus, I'll take any excuse to deny a fucker money.
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I don't think it's a legitimate reason, what he's saying is really vague. When you generalize it to well the whole world is upside down, why make a stink over this, then this paralysis arises because what are we supposed to do instead?
I agree with your post entirely, but I think it does become a legitimate reason when there are legitimate claims of hypocrisy as a result of a boycott. So when someone tells you to boycott Apple for basically running sweatshops, what will you do instead? You'd literally have to boycott everything for it to make sense, because everyone from Acer to Zenith does the same thing. So I don't think I could agree to such a boycott.

But I don't think that this argument works in this case because there are alternatives that you can turn to without violating the reason for the boycott. It's just one company that's funding homophobic efforts. You can go to McDonalds and get the same thing without literally contributing to someone's oppression (at least pertaining to this particular issue; McDonalds oppresses plenty of other people, but for other reasons).
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Warped I'm glad you aren't going to eat their chicken any more :)​.

Do not feel anyone will disown you - I still like you a lot!

I've mostly kept out of this debate on saltw as it's obviously something that is more than an academic exercise to me (I know it isn't to most other people here either, but to some people it is), and like when it comes to something that I feel directly affects me I tend to lose my mind and become RAGING FORUM HULK about shit like this.

That's why I've kept all my 'pinions about it on the CHIC-FILL-A FACEBOOK PAGE HOORAY lol, so as to not go RAARFUCKINCHICFILLAFASCISMRAAAFUCK and shit hahaha.

But it's been really good to see so many of my fellows here disagreeing with the company, and you realising that they're doing a pretty shitty thing (even if they do make nice chicken apparently lol) means a lot to me.

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I'm not saying that I am an ethical consumer or any such nonsense but I do make choices to avoid products based on ethical concerns sometimes, because it really is the least I can do, and there is a logical argument there for it. I'll take that over your attitude here because it is actually defined. Plus, I'll take any excuse to deny a fucker money.

This is a very good attitude. Like I know ASDA (Walmart in the UK) is a pretty unethical company, but my partner is employed by them and we get a discount so as I'm poor at the moment (you won't believe how poor, I am like fucking one step away from asking dudes in the street for money) I'd find it impossible not to shop there.

However, if ASDA did suddenly start making huge donations to anti-gay organisations, or started helping to lobby the government to allow (or at the very least, not oppose), the Ugandan DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOS bill, I'd obviously have to force myself from shopping there.

I mean, there are different levels of unethical. Fair, most companies are unethical to a degree, and many thrive on ripping workers off. There aren't that many who ACTIVELY HELP TO KILL GAY PEOPLE though, so I don't think it's too hard to think I WILL BOYCOTT DEMS.
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However, if ASDA did suddenly start making huge donations to anti-gay organisations, or started helping to lobby the government to allow (or at the very least, not oppose), the Ugandan DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOS bill, I'd obviously have to force myself from shopping there.
It's actually worse than that, there were a bunch of fundamentalist US Christians who actually went over there to help lay the foundation for the law to be written. One of them pretended to be a psychologist even though he doesn't have any credentials (and was forced to admit that on live TV when Rachel Maddow [who ][/who] interviewed him). He published a book that was full of lies about how gay people are this many times more likely to "recruit" children, and all sorts of other things. You can read the transcript of an interview with him here. You might not be able to get through all of it, it's so incredibly rage-inducing. Halfway through the interview he claims that he was the victim of a "hate crime" by getting kicked out of the American Counseling Organization.

I honestly think these people deserve the guillotine for literally invoking hatred against gay people based on bare-faced lies. He's also a quack pretending to be a therapist and he contributed significantly to poisoning the climate for gay people in Uganda. I think the law was canceled or defeated at the final moment, but the most prominent gay activist was beaten to death. And his work probably contributed to that fact. I really think these people deserve nothing short of life in solitary or a public hanging.
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Wow, fuck, I didn't realise the extent of it there. That's fucking extreme.

I find it really hard to understand the lengths people will go to to oppress minorities. Like fair enough, if you believe the lies about gay people or whatever, but if you're the one MAKING THE LIES UP then surely YOU know they aren't true, so what's your excuse?

It's morally bankrupt.
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aren't they always self-hating gays

I pretty much assume that by now

I kinda assume self-hating gay people cause a lot of problems actually
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