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Topic: A high school discussion on racism (ALSO BOOTSTRAPS) (Read 9603 times)

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#41 January 03, 2012, 07:06:27 pm
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Jesus fucking christ I know a million people who were born VERY poor and are on their way to middle-class-dom because the government pays for their higher education. (there is something called "prouni" that pays it for certain people who do well in enem [which ][/which] and are too poor to pay it themselves)

I wrote a long post about konix's backwards liberal bullshit but it's gone now so I'll just post a link to a news article ( in portuguese but it's well illustrated ) that basically explains why some men prefer trafficking drugs

http://cratonoticias.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/danubia-de-souza-rangel-a-xerifa-da-rocinha/
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#42 January 03, 2012, 07:54:04 pm
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I didn't came to that conclusion. All I'm saying is that "blaming everything on european colonialism and slavery and racism" is backwards liberal bullshit, which it is.
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Moriason

#43 January 03, 2012, 08:03:01 pm
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It lays the roots of issues man, that's the whole idea. When something's been in places for hundreds of years, it affects many generations further and further on down the line. They are raised and culturally engrained into matters often beyond their control and they tend to live in line with that.

It's not the be all end all, and I don't think TOO many would say it is. It's not like life was perfect before white people came along and started fuckin' with everybody else. But it DOES make a serious impact, QUITE tremendous really.

You have to appreciate that we're talking about things that go back very far, but whose repercussions echo generations and generations ahead.

The White Man's Burden was A VERY REAL THING. VERY real. This actually happened. Hell, it doesn't even stop at humanity. In New Zealand, European colonists killed off most of the indigenous birds and species because they felt that they were inferior to European versions of similar animals, and caused the extinction of dozens of animals as a direct and PURPOSEFUL result. That's FACT, you don't think similar attitudes about other cultures in relation to European superiority wouldn't have impact the nations upon which they imposed it?

I don't consider myself ANY sort of political denomination and I'm not going to sit here and tell you that white people are responsible for every single problem on Earth. But they have had a strong hand to play in more than their fair share, I can promise you that. Does that mean I'm going to sit here and feel sorry for things my ancestors did? No, but I can at LEAST do this world the courtesy of trying to be better than that.
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#44 January 03, 2012, 08:19:08 pm
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You're such a liberal, konix.
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bootstrap bill

#45 January 03, 2012, 08:32:22 pm
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Quote from: aaaaaaa on January 03, 2012, 08:00:15 pm
oh, so colonialism, slavery, and institutionalized racism is bullshit (despite overwhelming evidence),

Maybe not, but blaming EVERYTHING on it sounds too simple minded to me and people won't stop doing it. I think today's cultural trends have a much bigger role in keeping black people in shitty lives than keeping bushmen caged in zoos in the 19th century

Like, CHINA is currently hogging african resources, exploiting the corruption of whoever people elect over there and people don't even care about it. AT ALL. BLAME IT ON APARTHEID INSTEAD.

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but somehow black people being inherently stupid and just inferior beings who are too lazy to bootstrap their way to success is the real deal (with you offering zero evidence to prove any of this). got it.

Do I have to? Even if that was not my point at all everything seems to point towards it!

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I'm not going to sit here and tell you that white people are responsible for every single problem on Earth. But they have had a strong hand to play in more than their fair share, I can promise you that.

You mean, some people who happened to be white because I don't think any sami had anything to do with THE LIBERIAN CIVIL WAR

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#46 January 03, 2012, 08:35:10 pm
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A large number of Uganda's problems are caused by it's adoption of christianity especialy it's alarming number of end timer cults. I'd call that a major problem caused by colonialism.
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#47 January 03, 2012, 08:49:49 pm
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Quote from: aaaaaaa on January 03, 2012, 08:06:06 pm
aspy look at how stupid you are:
let me repeat your quote again:

"that basically explains why some men prefer trafficking drugs"

again:

"SOME MEN"


Men IN GENERAL do retarded things for sex. There's no denying this.

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some men turn to a life of crime for various reasons (maybe some are legit stupid, while others forced into it through generations of oppression/no opportunities). somehow, according to you, this means all of those men of similar ethnic origin are guilty and should be condemned. do you seriously not see why this is wrong?

Jesus christ. Oppression? Do you honestly believe people chose to become this

http://media.photobucket.com/image/crips/spt12/crips-1-1.jpg

because of slavery? BECAUSE A BRITISH COMMANDO MURDERED AN ENTIRE KHOISAN VILAGE IN 1875?

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aspy, if you're willing to believe that all black people are inferior because some of them turn to crime (regardless of the reason) then where do you draw the line with your generalizations? using your own logic i could just as easily say all men - regardless of skin color - are inferior beings/violent psychopath rapists because some men do a bad thing. do you agree with this? why draw the line at black people or poor people? why not condemn everyone?

Even when people invest a lot of money trying to provide adequate education to black people they don't do as well as asian, indian, normal (lol), etc kids which suggests either that a) they indeed are intellectually inferior, a hypothesis I dislike because it's not that funny to laugh at retarded people.  or b) they're being held back by certain cultural practices "successful black people" usually stay away from ( MORE PUNKS I SMOKE YO MY REP GETS BIGGA )
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Moriason

#48 January 03, 2012, 08:52:55 pm
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I like the quotations around "successful black people" you're right those are just in TV shows and fairy tales.

You're a legitimate racist, I'm actually surprised to see this! I didn't know GW had any bonified, legit racists.
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bootstrap bill

#49 January 03, 2012, 08:56:18 pm
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I use quotations because in this case I'm basing "success" on the ability to buy a house in the 'burbs and not be addicted to crack or a single mom not because I believe they don't exist
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#50 January 03, 2012, 09:02:44 pm
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Look who's trying to start a race war now
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Moriason

#51 January 03, 2012, 09:05:41 pm
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we should probably just get this back on regular track, this racism argument has depressed me to realize that there are real racists on gw, like not just 'erg sometimes other cultures confuse and bother me!' type but an actual 'races are inferior to others' racist!

this shit has me straight amazed

so hey, i've been watching a lot of the sopranos lately as i'm so often to do so and i just wanted to remind everybody that it's the best
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bootstrap bill

#52 January 03, 2012, 09:08:15 pm
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Jesus christ all I did was ask if there was a race war over air jordan shoes and say that chimpout was funny (which it is), not that blacks are inherently inferior and mentally challenged because of the amount of melanin they produce, you people trolled me into this with your "huh so you believe blacks are inferior and jigaboos?"
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hero_bash

#53 January 03, 2012, 09:10:26 pm
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(get yourselves some avatar. I hate looking at the left side to see who's saying what.)
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Moriason

#54 January 03, 2012, 09:11:40 pm
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my avatar was lost years ago and it's not coming back sadly goodbye illidan stormrage.........
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bootstrap bill

#55 January 03, 2012, 09:59:38 pm
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Just FYI the leading cause of death for black people in US is heart disease (caused by eating too much fried food), not racism, so even if I was a racist and a horrible person I'd still be a lot better than someone who makes money selling fried chicken to negros.

Shame on you, democracy.
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hero_bash

#56 January 03, 2012, 10:06:16 pm
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that's the most intelligent post I've seen this year so far.. so much intelligencdece...
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#57 January 03, 2012, 10:26:46 pm
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Quote from: geodude on January 03, 2012, 12:49:05 am
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dada

#58 January 03, 2012, 11:42:57 pm
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Quote from: aaaaaaa on January 03, 2012, 09:01:28 pm
dada: can you split the posts from this topic into a separate one about race? this topic was supposed to be CHILL UR HEAD not a fucking high school debate on race. I didn't mean to derail this topic.
That's a very good idea.
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dada

#59 January 03, 2012, 11:44:06 pm
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Asparagus fyi you're the dumbest member we have here today. Congratulations, you're the new KK4. (Nobody tell him what happened to KK4.)

Good thing you were cured of your antisemitism though KEEP IT UP!!!
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bootstrap bill

#60 January 03, 2012, 11:55:43 pm
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KK4 generated a lot of drama and got banned
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