The power of HEART! Thats a form of the "Power of Love" isn't it?

A while ago Derren Brown supposedly guessed the lottery numbers before they were announced, he promised to tell people how he did it but then he revealed some clearly made up pseudosciencey bullshit about "the wisdom of crowds". I lost any respect I had for the guy after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown:_The_Events#Event_1:_How_to_Win_the_Lottery

yeah that lottery thing was bullshit

I don't belive or disbelive in god, I simply think that If God did exist then our meager interpretation pails in comparison to such a being and that our understanding of the word god and it's meaning is far too infantismaly small to comprehend what a god would be if it did in did exist. To be frank, I dont' care if god does exist becuase If he did I really doubt that God would care about one spec in all of existance that I am. Most people can't comprehend how tiny our whole planet is, let alone themselves in comparison to the universe, that and the fact that a person existing in the exact way that they do has the same odds as lead spontaniously turning into gold, there minds are small and therefore so is their understanding.

The god thing is my actual belief, the lead to gold thing was just somthing I heard from watchman, don't know if that is actually true but it's right in that a person exsisting in the way that they do, well the odds are litteraly staggering, to simply calculate it you'd have to take into acount everything that lead up to that person's existance.
Any way, I think were getting off topic, what were we disscussing? Was there actually a disscussian?

@Dada: are you making fun of me?

Swordfish I think you're underestimating the complexity of some issues. The existence of god is likely thoroughly unknowable, so saying that only "simple minds" would believe in God is a little simplistic.

You've missunderstood. Simple minds doesn't refer to people who belive in god, It refers to most people, from Richard Dawkins who's utter inability to accept that a god entity could exist without evidence to prove such a thing to the people who do belive that god does exist but that god is watching them and cares about there actions.
My point is that If god does exist they would be beyond our ability to comprehend, so far infact that we can't prove it with the tools that exist within this universe as they are subject to it's laws and can not take into acount a being that exist beyond it, not only that but that the conciousness of such a being is beyond our understanding.
When we see the world we only see whats in front of us, a god wouldn't see it bur know it as knowlage as to them it is knowlage becuase they would understand it in its entierty down to the absolute elementary particle that makes it up, it's exact position, where it will be and where it came from at all times every where in the entire universe.
At a large enough scale where the galixes themselves look like specs they fill up so much space you would not know where you are as it would be relativley uniform. There are more stars in this universe then there are grains of sand on this planet with planets around each star and of course life on some of those planets, we are not so unique in that a god would only care about us in this unimaginably vast universe.

Those that can't understand that God could exist and that if they did exist then they would be beyond our simple understanding, hence "small minds".

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that humans have such a self important world view, that they actually matter is what makes them think that a God has to be doing things to them and therefore is also judging us. The unvierse would carry on ticking reguardless of our existance, in fact life would go on and perhaps maybe other inteligent life would come about?

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that humans have such a self important world view, that they actually matter is what makes them think that a God has to be doing things to them and therefore is also judging us. The unvierse would carry on ticking reguardless of our existance, in fact life would go on and perhaps maybe other inteligent life would come about?

Ah, but there is the rub. Is it possible to provide a definition of God that holds no bias inherit in humanity's self-important worldview? Is it even possible to make a statement such as "God does exist" or "God does not exist", while also holding onto the concept of "God" representing something that is fundamentally outside of any sort of realm of understanding capable from the context of our current collective evident reality?

You can either accept something like "God" as a definable term, and from that form some type of basis on whether or not such a concept falls under the qualification that deems it as an identifiable aspect of existence. But by even accepting "God" as a term that can be given definition, are we not also restricting that term to remain entirely underneath the umbrella of "human understanding" which by evidence is an entirely self-important view of reality that is far-gone from the epic scale at which the entire universe operates under the divine unknowable will of this being we are attempting to assign a definition to?

When you are from the camp that accepts "God" as nothing but a label for something fundamentally beyond our comprehension as a concept which defies definition itself, then the question of such a thing existing becomes a moot point. It's very much like asking if reality exists.

Which is why I mentioned I don't care if god does or doesn't exist for exactly that reason, it does become moot point becuase even if a god does exist it's to far beyond out aiblity to know and quantify in a way we can truley understand so why bother and  if they don't then it is still moot becuase why worry about somthing that doesn't exist.
What I think of as a god being omnicient is that for a god they litterly KNOW everything in that the universe and it's current structure is simply knowlage within that entity's mind, as in he knows the universe like we know the grass is green and the sky is blue and why they are those colours but for the entire universe; which means knowing the rules and since this being would know all the rules they would know exactly how the universe would play out, including things such as human agency becuase our agency is based on chemical thus a physical reaction and therefore knowable to god.
we see the universe, god knows the universe including all time and space simultainously which is also why worying about whether god is judging us or not is pointless becuase they knows what's going to happen and likewise most probably wouldn't care as we are just one tiny unimportant thing.

Still all that though pertains to my own "human bias" and no matter what I do I can't get away from it, it's impossible to not put a bias on to a definition that by definition is undefinable.

knowlage

:)

swordfish-san....

what?
EDIT: I just noticed that the posting time is 05:05:50 on my last post... how odd.