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feel free to dump links in here too.
 
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/01/15/deep-silver-promote-dead-island-with-appalling-statue/
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here's an article about gay planet:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/01/old-republic-to-segregate-same-gender-relationships-to-a-single-planet/
 
i'll post actual indepth posts about these two articles later when i'm not half asleep watching xena
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http://www.wabcradio.com/common/more.php?m=58&article=2BCBC29A5F3A11E2B03FFEFDADE6840A&mode=2 the next generation of gun'sbrasters
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here's something cool about the game industry
 

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http://www.wabcradio.com/common/more.php?m=58&article=2BCBC29A5F3A11E2B03FFEFDADE6840A&mode=2 the next generation of gun'sbrasters
The timing of this game's release is pretty hilarious.
 
 
feel free to dump links in here too.
 
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/01/15/deep-silver-promote-dead-island-with-appalling-statue/
Yeah this was a pretty air-headed move. This is the sort of thing you'd see one of those fringe fetishists selling/drawling weird gore shit on the internet. Obviously does not belong in a collectors edition of a video game.
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came in here to say GAY PLANET, but i should've expected that Vellfire would've already linked it. :P
 
pretty much the thing i hate most about the game industry is the lack of progressiveness and diversity. specifically, sexism is rampant in games, and when people (mostly women) speak out against it, other people (mostly men) adamantly defend it (and in the process say really offensive and horrible things). i mean jeez just read anything about Anita Sarkeesian and what she's gone through... u_u; ugh gamers can be pretty gross. but yeah... i just think it's so dumb that game protagonists (when you can't create your own character) are so often white cis males. people don't want to change this because it's a trope which works, and because it maintains the player-character relatability and immersion for the perceived audience of 20-something cisgender dudes... but that's such a dumb excuse, because people play games largely to experience something DIFFERENT and UNREAL. the problem is really the idea that guys only want to play games where they can be powerful and talented men-- because GOSH why would ANY self-respecting man want to be a FEMALE?? ... it's ridiculous that it's so uncommon and hard to just GET MORE WOMEN in games, and as something other than eye candy or plot devices. bleh
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I used to always play male in every game I played when the option was there (and I still do in single player games) because... I am male... and would also try to make 'myself' in the game as best as possible. I only regret doing this in Mass Effect because I noticed that the female voice actress was WAY BETTER. I still have yet to play ME3. I've heard its pretty meh but I'm going to eventually play it... and play it male for consistency's sake.
 
Now though in multiplayer games I generally pick female... though not because I'm progressive... Usually because of the psychological advantage in games that comes in common with have a smaller character for shooters. The hit boxes are typically the same, but it'd be a lie to say that it did not give snipers an extra second or 2 to take aim before firing because the target appears smaller for instance, or make you slightly smaller visually for stealth purposes.
 
Unfortunately, I did not think to start doing this until after I started Blacklight: Retribution. A game where I would have benefited the most from playing female out of all the online games I've played thus far and that I'm fairly infatuated with and putting lots of hours into. The male armor is bulky as hell more often than not and the female armors are is always fairly slim. I mean its not FORM FITTING... its tasteful in that it essentially looks identical to the male armor except its slimmer... but its still a problem fairness wise.
 
In order to change my game model to female in BLR I have to pay 10 fucking dollars. That is just the most bullshit thing and I've spent to much time on my current soldier to start over. If they like... have a 90% off sale or something crazy I'd consider actually putting money into this game... but they overcharge on a lot of stupid things that really should not cost a dime... even in a F2P.
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http://www.gamesradar.com/how-not-talk-about-massacre/
This a decent one I think.
 
http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/what-quentin-tarantino-can-teach-us-about-how-to-handle-the-violence-in-gam
K, I could not watch video interview because Taratino tends to be cringe inducing, but the article was good.
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some people used to be worried about archaic gender roles in mario always saving the helpless princess. now we're worried about the intentional sex appeal in mutilated female torsos.
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hmmm... well... http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/anger-at-the-nras-new-video-game-is-misplaced-and-immature
 
Makes a decent point.
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came in here to say GAY PLANET, but i should've expected that Vellfire would've already linked it. :P
 
pretty much the thing i hate most about the game industry is the lack of progressiveness and diversity. specifically, sexism is rampant in games, and when people (mostly women) speak out against it, other people (mostly men) adamantly defend it (and in the process say really offensive and horrible things). i mean jeez just read anything about Anita Sarkeesian and what she's gone through... u_u; ugh gamers can be pretty gross. but yeah... i just think it's so dumb that game protagonists (when you can't create your own character) are so often white cis males. people don't want to change this because it's a trope which works, and because it maintains the player-character relatability and immersion for the perceived audience of 20-something cisgender dudes... but that's such a dumb excuse, because people play games largely to experience something DIFFERENT and UNREAL. the problem is really the idea that guys only want to play games where they can be powerful and talented men-- because GOSH why would ANY self-respecting man want to be a FEMALE?? ... it's ridiculous that it's so uncommon and hard to just GET MORE WOMEN in games, and as something other than eye candy or plot devices. bleh
for the big game devs/pubs, it's all entirely forethought & half-superstitious marketing garbage, and it's all about what will make the most money. 9 times out of 10 this means appealing to manchild escapism fantasy. for indie devs that still stick by this without good reason, I guess it's more about being derivative.
 
this is starting to peel away a little as the target markets change on their own, and is visible in some of the recent games that are currently being marketed to girls or to both boys and girls (I recall seeing a lot of monster-themed games marketed to girls last I checked, and some of em I would've thought were pretty cool when I was a boy). but you can be sure that the people who buy the games will have changed long before the games themselves will change.
Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 01:36:51 am by earlchip
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this is something i'd personally wanna stay away, there'd be no end to the amount of shit you'd have to shovel through if you started getting into the problems there. i think we all know for the most part/like mutually know what is really wrong here, nerds & nerds culture is gross. i don't say this to stop this convo (i saw that dada, put that fury down...), i just noted/say aloud that this is likely going to resemble an echo chamber most likely since we have a similiar stance/view on the gaming, gamers & gaming industry issues. do not be discouraged, imperative...
that being said, if you want something interesting to read, the comic update posts in Trenches - webcomic done by bluetroll & penny arcade, you don't even have to read the comic. it's about the worker rights - issues in gaming industry, in particulary re: american? game testers. http://trenchescomic.com/tales/post/9810
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not funny geodude. not impressed. read the link. penny arcade site and trenches feat articles as well. whether they are good or not is different story but they are okay most of the time and you kinda bump into trends/news this way somewhat.
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The video games industry reminds me of Image Comics.
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an echo chamber is where everybody says the same thing. we don't do that. we might all agree on how horrible the industry is, but that doesn't mean we've got nothing to talk about, or nothing to analyze, or no details to discuss or disagree about.
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what's most striking about the game industry to me is how it has this immense power, more than any other kind of casual entertainment, to do whatever it wants and to represent socially progressive themes w/o inhibition. instead we get progressive new gun's and new ways of graphically killing people, and this is something people who try to discuss Gun's and Violence in Games don't seem to acknowledge. the game industry could have potentially turned into anything, but this is what we got. it's clearly a problem. whether vgs are actually the cause of the problem is a different discussion that I don't really care about
 
 but that doesn't mean we've got nothing to talk about, or nothing to analyze, or no details to discuss or disagree about.
yeah I agree. like I'm always interjecting with MARKETING & MONEY because imo that can't be emphasized enough/is rarely attributed its full sway in convos about the industry.
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Is nerd culture really more misogynist than any other subculture? I think it might also be possible many nerds just hate attractive people and 'nerd culture latecomers' (nerds are all secretly hipsters with out the ironic fashion statements?)... I mean I'm sure that since so many nerds are male and perhaps harbor extra (misplaced) resentment for pretty women due to the added sexual frustration.
 
I sorry to bring a INTERNET MEME into the picture but I think this one illustrates why perhaps that sexist meme "Idiot Nerd Girl" mayhap at least be similar (though certainly not identical) to this concept gender swapped:

 
A general dislike of those that were not social lepers for liking 'nerdy things' because liking these nerdy things now-a-days doesn't make one a social leper. (That REALLY goes for video games actually, if not strictly 'gamer culture', http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/what-the-mainstream-press-wont-report-gamers-are-everywhere-and-were-doing-)
 
So there is also resentment for people who did not go through horrible early life experiences for their interests. Nerds seem to collectively believe everyone should suffer like they did in the 90's and back, especially people that may have been involved with 'bullying' or apathetic to their plight if they had lived in such an early less nerd-friendly age. Its a completely unreasonable expectation. Its bitter. But there is a sick logic to it. Nerds assume people with any level of attractiveness would have been the same people to make their lives horrible just 20-30 years ago. Nerds assume all attractive people are social cowards that would tolerate and even perhaps participate in their misery.
 
 
Now I know you specified the video games culture as well. I'm going to assume you mean 'hardcore' gaming rather than all gaming culture as a whole. Hardcore gaming culture with video game reference t-shirts, love of the konami code, and of course first person shooters. But is this SPECIFIC nerd culture more gross than any other nerd subculture? I guessing none of you believe that. Comic book nerd culture is generally considered just as bad... if not worse about sexism than video games. Sure comic books typically have more women involved with their stories than video games... but almost universally sexualize them. Don't get me wrong, video games sexualize plenty women if not most, but you likely could cite far more female characters in video games that are tasteful than comic's what with the 'boob's & butt in a single frame' trope.
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what's a nerd?? eg I had a professor who would never talk about anything but plants and soil and ecosystems, and who wore shape-ups with khakis and sweater vests every day. he's a great guy - he's been called "nerdy", but he's not at all the kind of person bonzi is referring to when he says "nerd culture is gross". some ppl would probably think of me as nerdy?? I guess it's more specifically internet nerd/gamer nerd culture, and there's a lot of negative stuff that goes along with that.
 
I think maybe part of the reason their misogyny and often other forms of bigotry stand out is because the internet nerds are so expressive and vocal here on the internet. they're generally the type to write or to produce media about their thoughts/feelings as well, and as individuals they may or may not have unfortunate trouble with identifying with others on a social or sympathetic level. that's not really a part of the culture, but it's manifested in how eg memes are almost uniformly aggressive and negative. there's also this bizarre 'intelligence' fetishism that goes on all over, and that lends itself to elitism, but it's def part of more than just internet nerd culture
 
gross post but please excuse it bc most of this stuff fit us pretty well up until like 2013-2014 and I didn't want warp's post to go unanswered
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what's a nerd?? eg I had a professor who would never talk about anything but plants and soil and ecosystems, and who wore shape-ups with khakis and sweater vests every day. he's a great guy - he's been called "nerdy", but he's not at all the kind of person bonzi is referring to when he says "nerd culture is gross". some ppl would probably think of me as nerdy?? I guess it's more specifically internet nerd/gamer nerd culture, and there's a lot of negative stuff that goes along with that.
 
I think maybe part of the reason their misogyny and often other forms of bigotry stand out is because the internet nerds are so expressive and vocal here on the internet. they're generally the type to write or to produce media about their thoughts/feelings as well, and as individuals they may or may not have unfortunate trouble with identifying with others on a social or sympathetic level. that's not really a part of the culture, but it's manifested in how eg memes are almost uniformly aggressive and negative. there's also this bizarre 'intelligence' fetishism that goes on all over, and that lends itself to elitism, but it's def part of more than just internet nerd culture
 
gross post but please excuse it bc most of this stuff fit us pretty well up until like 2013-2014 and I didn't want warp's post to go unanswered
IDK why someone would think your post is gross earl. :confused:
 
But yeah actually 'nerd' is a pretty broad term. You can be a nerd about litterally anything. Hell you could be a feminism nerd... or communism nerd...