http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurosaki_Ichigo look near the bottom at hollow powers. so far Wiki has never lead me wrong.

I never even thought about it before. Mainly because I never figured it needed thinking about in the first place. I mean looking at the way the episode was set up, he was at between 90-99 percent hollowfication when he finally acheived his death-god powers (if you consider how much of his "world" got blown away and turned into cardboard boxes a good indicator). Not to mention the fact that the mask covered his face, and he had to rip it off during the process (since it's been mentioned in almost every post.) And even in this arc, given how the Arrancar go on and on about how important the whole mask thing is. I mean I'm not saying it's bad for you to have your doubts, but there is so much evidence on this side of thought the series and you guys dismissing it offer NOTHING of your own to back up your points, except "All of what you say is circumstantial. There is nothing definite about it!" If Bleach was a novel, you guys would get F's on your midterm. (while us on the otherhand, would get at least C's or low B's)

Then again, I am very skeptical of that being the cause, not because it isn't the most fucking logical thing in the universe, but because it is the most fucking logical thing in the universe. HEAVEN FORBID that the writers of this show do something that everyone predicts. My prediction is that they do something unexpected for the sole reason of it being unexpected.

And at that point, I'll will most likely drop this show for good.

But seriously speaking, Why can't you guys just go and beleive what the show wants you to beleive? I mean what do you guys need? For one of the main characters to say, "Well, that hollow inside of Ichigo is due to him almost turning when trying to regain his death god powers"? I mean, yes. I know that there is no way of knowing what the author knows when it comes to this particular aspect of Bleach, but I think the author has made it pretty fucking clear what he wants you to think. Can't you just give in to the author's wishes?

And I am serious that if it turns out to be some random bullshit thing that has absolutley NOTHING to do with Ichigo almost turning into a hollow, I will blame it on bad writing and quit this show for good. I mean the only exception is that it'd have to be a pretty spectacular and fucking classy reason that's beyond compare, (even classier than the soul society arc spoilers) and it's kinda silly to have such an expectation.

First of all, the reason for Ichigo's hybridization has never been a major issue or point of mystery in the anime. Because Kubo isn't drawing any attention to it, most people assume that it isn't of much consequence, and logically deduce that his Hollow half must have developed during Urahara's training.

However, if you look at how Kubo has been writing Bleach so far, you'll see that there really isn't much of a basis to that assumption, because he seems to pull random plot details and twists out of thin air. Remember the Huge Hollows that attacked Hinamori's class, or the Hollow that fused with Kaien? There was never any need to question where they came from (just as there doesn't seem to be a need to question where Ichigo's Hollow half came from), yet along comes Aizen to explain to everyone that he was actually behind all of that.


Basically, I have a feeling that there's more to Ichigo's hybridization than it seems. Incidentally, there's a theory that it has something to do with the Hougyoku being inside Rukia when she first gives Ichigo Shinigami powers...

First of all, the reason for Ichigo's hybridization has never been a major issue or point of mystery in the anime. Because Kubo isn't drawing any attention to it, most people assume that it isn't of much consequence, and logically deduce that his Hollow half must have developed during Urahara's training.

However, if you look at how Kubo has been writing Bleach so far, you'll see that there really isn't much of a basis to that assumption, because he seems to pull random plot details and twists out of thin air. Remember the Huge Hollows that attacked Hinamori's class, or the Hollow that fused with Kaien? There was never any need to question where they came from (just as there doesn't seem to be a need to question where Ichigo's Hollow half came from), yet along comes Aizen to explain to everyone that he was actually behind all of that.

Mangaspoiler (Click to reveal)

Then we meet the arrancar Aaroniero, and the origin and fate of the Hollow and Kaien are suddenly not so insignicant anymore.

Basically, I have a feeling that there's more to Ichigo's hybridization than it seems. Incidentally, there's a theory that it has something to do with the Hougyoku being inside Rukia when she first gives Ichigo Shinigami powers...

I thought the Hougyoku wasn't in Rukia until she got the gigai from Urahara, which was after Ichigo had already received shinigami powers.

I thought the Hougyoku wasn't in Rukia until she got the gigai from Urahara, which was after Ichigo had already received shinigami powers.

I'm pretty sure it's never stated that the implantation of the Hougyoku occured when Rukia entered the modified Gigai, just that Urahara did at one point implant the Hougyoku, and that the purpose of the Gigai was to hide Rukia. Otherwise, that would mean that Urahara had only just recently concealed the Hougyoku, which doesn't make much sense considering he made it back when he was still a captain.

yeah your right DS, well there is one thing i could mention that would defiantly provide some incite as to where he gained the hollow, but it would spoil the story (i was reading ahead in the manga, but i have stopped now)

My point is that it's the only explanation the author gave, and if he didn't want you to think that's THE explanation, why did he give it in the first place? I can understand where you are coming from, but situations like that usually stem from when the show gives absolutley no explanation for things. (I do believe your thoughts have a heavy basis, but in order for them to work and make sense, the writing will have to reach a whole new level, which I doubt Bleach is capable of)

I mean, to give something a perfectly reasonable and logical explanation, only to take it away in favor of pulling a random plot point out of thin air. Yes I consider that bad writing where I come from.

Who gives a shit what the author wants you to think.
I say, just let the show take it where you wants....

I thought he implanted it into the Gigai, which he then gave to Rukia.

Yeah, this is what I thought too.

My point is that it's the only explanation the author gave, and if he didn't want you to think that's THE explanation, why did he give it in the first place? I can understand where you are coming from, but situations like that usually stem from when the show gives absolutley no explanation for things. (I do believe your thoughts have a heavy basis, but in order for them to work and make sense, the writing will have to reach a whole new level, which I doubt Bleach is capable of)

I mean, to give something a perfectly reasonable and logical explanation, only to take it away in favor of pulling a random plot point out of thin air. Yes I consider that bad writing where I come from.

Did you read my post? Pulling random plot points out of thin air is what Kubo has been doing so far.

I thought he implanted it into the Gigai, which he then gave to Rukia.

That's never explicitly stated, though (unless I missed something...). The impression I got from Aizen's explanation was that Urahara implanted it in Rukia soon after creating and failing to destroy it, which would be long before Rukia came to the real world. Of course, this alone wouldn't be sufficient, so he created the Gigai to hide Rukia, and when she depleted her powers giving them to Ichigo, Urahara finally had an excuse to give her the Gigai.

Just saw episode 121, and all i can say is that the animation quality is fantastic, especially with the fight between Ichigo and Grimjow. also the new opening i a bit weird but it seams to focus on Ichigo's Hollowisation. All i can say is that as long as all fights are of the quality of this episodes then it won't matter if the animation for non fighting isn't that good (but it still should be of some sort of good quality). 

Same here, I thought episode 121 was much better than 120, especially the fight ichigo ad grimjow.
I think the opening is quite good, but will take some getting used to for me but anyways

just to say, i changed my mind i like the new opening and like NinjaPirate said, Most anime opening's reveal what event's are going to happen, so not really a new thing.  Still i like it and it's a change form the usual more rocky style of opening (not that i'm against that, i mean i like rock music)

P.S. the shinigami Cup golden thing is funny this episode :P

Yamada Hanatarou is more powerful than I thought....

aye, too bad he has to heal people sooo many times before he can use it, and even then those are weak enemies, PLUS it turns into a scalpel, what's he gonna do with that? (scalpels are nastily sharp though)