Uhhh... I Golden Sun has better effects.

Lumines is that Tetris-like game, right? Well that's not exactly the same kind of puzzle. Golden Sun puzzles are like figuring out which way to push blocks do certain things to progress to the next area. Lumines would be like dropping blocks, like in Tetris.

Indeed?  I did say I was joking rigth? omfgwatchoutforthatemp!!

JA2 is awesome. And hellahard... It's strange how the game can be great despite the fact that I quicksave and quickload every other minute... However if JA2 counts then Silent Storm (PC) should also count. Tactical "RPG" with fully destructible environments. Spawned an expansion pack (Sentinels, which added to the RPG-elements) and a couple of games based in the engine (Hammer & Sickle, a game that probably is as close to an RPG you get with the engine. EDIT: And also Night Watch, an RPG based on the film with the same name. Unfortunately I've heard nearly only bad things about that game.)

Also Arcanum. Actually Arcanum doesn't seem to be all that unknown and those who have played it usually praise it but it still deserves all the extra attention it can get (Especially now that the previously underrated Planescape Torment has come into nearly everyone's radar).

JA2 is fantastic - you should try the semi-official 1.13 patch for it. Upgrades it to almost a totally new combat system, and there's a crapload of new stuff (at least 4x the original, heaps of cool guns).

I was actually gonna say Arcanum myself, but I didn't really consider it a 'sleeper'.

Why I dont get is why they suddenly changed the theme of the series...I guess thats what killed the series...


EDIT:+Rep for awesome link! it has a lot of reviews for a lot of good games! I appreciate it

Yeah changing the theme was the worst thing they did. Probably to give it more sales or make it more attractive to the stupid "younger generation". Bah. Forgive me if I got carried away.

Yeah that site is awesome, partly because I write for it. I have a lot of articles waiting to be submitted, but you can check out the Shadowrun review (I did that one). I'll soon get to submitting my other reviews.

My favourite RPG is street fighter 2 its a hidden gem

my favourite role to play is dhalsim

I got 'Dungeon Maker' for PSP and it's a sleeper. Kinda feels like Jade Cocoon minus the fun. :/

edit- All this talk about old RPGs makes me want to break out my PSX collection. Maybe I'll try FF6. It's the only FF I haven't finished, oddly. Got as far as getting Gau, then lost interest.

I got 'Dungeon Maker' for PSP and it's a sleeper. Kinda feels like Jade Cocoon minus the fun. :/

edit- All this talk about old RPGs makes me want to break out my PSX collection. Maybe I'll try FF6. It's the only FF I haven't finished, oddly. Got as far as getting Gau, then lost interest.

lol Same here bro I busted out my psp started playing Legend of Legaia again,that game was good...too bad its sequel was a sleeper rpg...

Speaking of Shadowrun, the SNES and Genesis games are awesome sleepers.

speaking of SNES:

tactics ogre
 

speaking of SNES:

tactics ogre

Man, Tactics Ogre was so neat but the high impact of one level of experience, coupled with the fact that all enemies had level equal to your highest level and the very tedious training system, worked together to completely ruin the game.  TO: Knight of Lodis was great though!

I thought it added to the challenge, and I usually kept my team within 1-2 levels of each other so it wasn't that big a deal to me. Man those skeleton units were cool, I liked how they infinitely respawned after dying. My wussy skeleton got me out of some interesting situations.

Man that game is hard!

Yeah man the Genesis one is pretty fucking hard. The SNES one is pretty challenging, but nothing too overwhelming. I prefer the story of the SNES version to the Genesis one, but there are some things that the Genesis version elaborates more on, and I like that.

Yeah man the Genesis one is pretty fucking hard. The SNES one is pretty challenging, but nothing too overwhelming. I prefer the story of the SNES version to the Genesis one, but there are some things that the Genesis version elaborates more on, and I like that.

Wasnt there an n64 version? I heard it was rare...

Tactics Orge was pretty fricken hard indeed. I never beat that game. When ppl died they REALLY died I.E. they didn't come back.

FFT is 5x better, but TO is good too. ^_^

FFT is not a sleeper rpg, Its overated really.

FFT is not a sleeper rpg, Its overated really.

You're overrated.

Of course he's overrated.

He's the fucking otomon.

FFT is not a sleeper rpg, Its overated really.

Didn't FFT start out selling poorly, then a good while later started selling like hot cakes? isn't that exactly what a sleeper rpg is?

i think thats like.. a waker rpg

i thought a sleeper was one that is still asleep, no one ever bought it despite it being really good