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Hey guys, I was just wondering if I could get some feedback on something I've been working on the past couple of days.  It's a comic called Pixelated, in which twopeople who make amateur games get sucked into one of their own creations.

Here are the first three pages and the current cover, I'm debating whether to do full colour or just tone.




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It's...not pixelated.
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It's...not pixelated.

Strange... and the topic says "Hand drawn comic"...
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It should be called "DBZlated".

Except... they are DBZ outside the game world too.

Damn, I'll have to think about this one.
Last Edit: November 16, 2007, 06:52:54 pm by EvilDemonCreature
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Ahhhhhh, the far-reaching and long-lasting effect of DBZ.


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What far reaching effect of DBZ are you guys talking about?
So far not one person has posted something even remotely constructive (but that's about what I've come to expect around here)
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What far reaching effect of DBZ are you guys talking about?
So far not one person has posted something even remotely constructive (but that's about what I've come to expect around here)

Have you never gotten constructive criticism?

Because I faintly remember it happening a while back and it not affecting you in the least.

Even if I'm wrong, you can't blame us for giving up on you. I don't like being this rude, but you really have shown us absolutley nothing to give us any interest or incentive to help you improve.
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That's odd, what I remember are a large quantity of sarcastic and cynical comments from a batch of elitists that seemingly hate outsiders.  Well, bar the odd one or two people like Chef Boyardee and others who actually tried to help it improve rather than posting, as I said cynical, sarcastic, and just plain rude posts.

So don't give me the "We gave you it, you didn't act on it, we gave up, tough." speech because it's a bunch of bull.  You've all had your heads ten feet up your own arses to begin with.
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Holy shit. I mean wow, you might actually have made a good point.

Except... you claiming that Chef Boyardee actually tried to help you improve proved with 100% certainty that you are the one with the head ten miles up your own ass (if you think that's mathematically impossible, then you grossly underestimate how big an ass you are).

Feel free to prove me wrong about Chef, or we can continue to simply flame each other. As long as you hide in your own little protective bubble of "they are elitists who hate outsiders" and refuse to accept the fact that there is at least some legitimate degree to our complaints about your attitude on drawing, flaming is all that's left.
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Sam I'm sorry to burst your bubble but no one here likes your comics. Anyone who claims so is just fucking with you. I can't say that you've been treated fairly, but it's not like you can expect us to walk you through comic making 101 when the initial material you give us to work with is so subpar all one really can muster together is either sarcastic admiration or genuine disgust. If you really want to get better at making comics you should just...work with them by yourself without tossing every sketchy concept you come up with for us to analyze. And if it's contructive criticism you want, you just need to read through the Pokémon XS topic - there inbetween your own (numerous) posts, idle chatter and sardonic remarks you'll find actual feedback and the occasional "hey this one actually got a laugh out of me" comment - THAT'S the trail you should follow. If it makes you feel any better I find your recent work simply mediocre as compared to the so-bad-it's-hilarious comics you used to post, which I suppose qualifies as progress, and for a sizeable fan-following in the webcomics industry. GW isn't exactly the demographic for you.
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Y'see, my main problem isn't people saying the comics are bad, it's the way in which they say it.  What you just posted, Lord, I find perfectly acceptable, however, how Evil Demon Creature and many others have posted in various topics is simply rude and arrogant.

I whole-heartedly admit that my Sonic sprite comics were rather bad, I'll admit that RSI was a million times worse, however, I don't feel I was given a fair chance when I came back with Pokemon XS and now Pixelated.  As you said, there has been some improvement, but most people have labelled me as the 'guy who makes awful comics' after the Sonic ones and RSI.

There is feedback there, alhough it's scarce, and I do look at it, try to use it and try to improve, but having to filter it out between posts by people such as Evil Demon Creature is something that I should not have to do, as all it contains is blatant bashing and flaming.

People say that this one should be called "DBZlated".  Why?  Personally, I don't see a link in the art styles.  If any of them could elaborate on exactly why it should be called "DBZlated" that would be fantastic, however, it hasn't happened, and from the general attitude I come across from people on this forum, I highly doubt anyone will.

It's obvious there must be some kind of link to DBZ ecause two seperate people have mentioned it, but neither have said in which way it resembles Dragon Ball, so it doesn't really help.

Also, as for someone stating that it's not pixelated, that's rather obvious and it's stated in the topic title that it's hand drawn, heck, it's even in capitals.  If they feel the title is misleading or innappropriate, then they should say so rather than stating something that's not only obvious but has already been stated.

Also, I feel I can only get full feedback by showing mos things I do to people.  I could make something people would really like but not decide to show it because it's just a 'sketchy concept', and never go back to it.  I don't want to miss any oppurtunity like that so I try to show as much as I can.

What makes me say that people here are elitists, is their general harsh attitude.  On other forums, my comics have recieved a lot better reception, friendly communities telling me the good and the bad, and stating how I could improve, which I can then act on, whereas here all I get is a bunch of short posts that bash the comic whlst not really giving much reason for doing so.

I could point you in the direction of a ton of things by other people that are much worse, but I get the feeling that if it were shown here they'd get a much warmer reception and actually be given constructive critiscm and a fair chance.
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Majin Sam your drawing is OK but you need actually to have a plot , a story  etc or else nobody will like it (at least me);
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Y'see, my main problem isn't people saying the comics are bad, it's the way in which they say it.  What you just posted, Lord, I find perfectly acceptable, however, how Evil Demon Creature and many others have posted in various topics is simply rude and arrogant.

I whole-heartedly admit that my Sonic sprite comics were rather bad, I'll admit that RSI was a million times worse, however, I don't feel I was given a fair chance when I came back with Pokemon XS and now Pixelated.  As you said, there has been some improvement, but most people have labelled me as the 'guy who makes awful comics' after the Sonic ones and RSI.

There is feedback there, alhough it's scarce, and I do look at it, try to use it and try to improve, but having to filter it out between posts by people such as Evil Demon Creature is something that I should not have to do, as all it contains is blatant bashing and flaming.

You want real criticism? Fine, I'll accept that. I am completely capable of dropping the label of "you being the guy who makes bad comics and has no intent or capacity to improive" if you are willing to drop the lable of "me being the guy who mindlessly flames and bashes you with nothing of real value to say".

People say that this one should be called "DBZlated".  Why?  Personally, I don't see a link in the art styles.  If any of them could elaborate on exactly why it should be called "DBZlated" that would be fantastic, however, it hasn't happened, and from the general attitude I come across from people on this forum, I highly doubt anyone will.

It's obvious there must be some kind of link to DBZ ecause two seperate people have mentioned it, but neither have said in which way it resembles Dragon Ball, so it doesn't really help.

Ok, now this statement reveals the real problem with your approach to art that is keeping you from moving forward. You depend too much on other people having to do the work to help you understand how your art is viewed. Introspection, and good visual skills in general is arguably the most important thing an artist needs to have. Being able to look at things and notice patterns, similarities, and differences are core to an artist's development, and it's theese talents that are most likely to explain why someone who is 12 years old can draw 20x better than someone who is 22 years old.

You said yourself that it must be obvious there are similarities between the work you posted and DBZ. The fact that you cannot find them shows that the people who did make that comment are seeing something in your work that you are not seeing. Now ask yourself this. Which will make you the better artist? Having the people who did see those things explain them to you, or you carefully examining your work, until you can figure out and see those things for yourself?

Now, if there is anything you want help with, don't hesistate to ask. I understand how most people here are gratuitously harsh when it turns out that all you want is help. But you have to understand how hard it is for us to help you when all you do is post pictures and expect in-depth comments detailing every single aspect.
The responses come off as elitist because any artist can only look at another's work from the perspective of his or her own work. If in that artist's eyes, it looks like EVERYTHING needs to be worked on, then the only options are to either sound like a fucking elitist about it, or to blatantly lie. I'm sorry for coming off this way, especially since I have a strategy for whenever I come across work that comes off like that to me.

Whenever I come across work, what I usually do is look for certain things that are missing, and if there is a whole lot of them, I start with the one that I feel is most important and comment solely on that. 99% of the time it is construction, and here you are no exception (am I coming off as elitist right now? I want you to comment on this post after I finish so that I can make better ones from now on. People who make bad posts need explanations on how their posts are bad too). Do you have a construction/roughing out phase in your work? That is, before you start on the final linework, do you use 3d geometric shapes to simplify your characters and make sure their porportions are correct? This kind of planning can make a world of difference in how well drawn your characters are. Either way, I'd like to suggest a book that can get your construction skills to a near-immaculate level. "Fun with a pencil" by Andrew Loomis has been one of my most favorite instructional drawing books. The style he employs in the book isn't very appealing, but his ability to instruct people more than makes up for it, plus the methods he employs works for any style (especially anime), and you can use that to practice his methods by drawing stuff you like to draw rather than what he demonstrates in the book. If you want a link to download it, just PM me and I can send it to you.

I could point you in the direction of a ton of things by other people that are much worse, but I get the feeling that if it were shown here they'd get a much warmer reception and actually be given constructive critiscm and a fair chance.

I am actually REALLY interested in seeing you do this. Mainly because it would actually be really helpful in us understanding what advice to give and how to help you in general. By judging other's art It would show us what priorities you have when it comes to judging your own art, by giving us a huge amount of perspective into what you think is "good" and more importantly why you think it's good. And if we disagree with a judgement you make, we can point out to you what qualities in the art you judge as 'worse" we appreciate, and why they should be qualities you might want to concider experimenting with.
Last Edit: November 20, 2007, 09:58:26 pm by EvilDemonCreature
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Thanks.  A link to that book would be fantastic, if it's as useful as you say, then I may have to reccomend it to the art school's library as they apparently don't have it.

I do use pencil roughs, I build the frames of the characters on circular skeletons, then I flesh them out in pencil, then put layout paper over the top to ink, a little bit of quality is admittedly lost, but I get to keep my pencil pages (I'll scan the pencils for those pages in when I get home, I'm on the laptop at the minute, a fair distance from my scanner).

As far as plot goes, to answer Cheetos, I've almost finished the next few pages which do indeed show there is one, I probably should have waited til they were ready too and I could post them all together so that would be clear.

Plot's kinda basic, the boys get sucked into the game they've been making, I have the start definitively penned, I've decided on the ending, most of the characters and the key points in between.

As for the DBZ likeness, I think the character on the first two pages (Vann, the in-game protagonist with the long coat), kind of resembles Trunks, but I see more likeness to Fullmetal Alchemist than I do Dragon Ball when it comes to drawing style, though I admit Toriyama, Arakawa (and Akamatsu for that matter) have had quite an influence on me, as have Richard Elson and Tracey Yardley.

I suppose there is a certain squareness to the face that somewhat resemles Toriyama's style, and the scar on Zhyge (villain on the last panel of page) is drawn in a similar style to the one on Yamcha's face, I just don't think there are enough similarities for people to say "OMG DBZ!"

I'll get the pencils of the current pages and the inked and lettered new pages up ASAP
Last Edit: November 21, 2007, 11:21:57 am by Majin Sam
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No offense, but that page is just really sappy and cliche. The dialogue, story, and the way the action is presented... it just sucks.
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Dude, the reason everyone is harsh to you is because you don't seem to know how to look at your own work. If we make a comment, don't ask us to elaborate in great detail upon it, just THINK about it. You can't get anywhere unless you think about your own work for yourself. As it stands, your stuff is very basic, in both art and content, and it is just unappealing. Now, the only way to get better is to keep working at shit, but just keep in mind that people are not going to write paragraph upon paragraph for every little sketch you post. The reason why everyone is harsh to you is because you have zero ability to absorb anything that isn't praise.

I think your stories are cliche, your dialogue is dull and your art needs serious work. The only way you can improve on this is to keep practicing. That is a fact. So swallow your pride and press on.
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Guys... we already had this conversation before when he made the game comics.

And again when he made the pixel comics.

And again when he made the video rants.

It has nothing to do with his approach to the artes. He just isn't funny....
Last Edit: November 22, 2007, 10:50:23 am by Chainer
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thanks everyone... as the saying goes, one person can't commit all he mistakes in the world so one should learn from others mistakes not just his own... this topic taught me a thing or two
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thanks everyone... as the saying goes, one person can't commit all he mistakes in the world so one should learn from others mistakes not just his own... this topic taught me a thing or two

Don't knock this advice. It's how I survived high-school (and half of middle-school).