Topic: Gunman shoots up church and is stopped by member (Read 1505 times)

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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- "It seemed like it was me, the gunman, and God," said Jeanne Assam, describing her feelings as she confronted a man who charged into her Colorado Springs church Sunday firing a weapon.

Assam, a church security guard with law enforcement experience, fired her own weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say.

Police on Monday identified the gunman as Matthew Murray and said he was also responsible for an attack earlier Sunday at a missionary center some 70 miles away.

The two incidents left four people dead, in addition to the gunman, and five wounded.

Police said forensic evidence showed a positive match between a handgun found at the church and shell casings found at the missionary center in Arvada, a suburb of Denver.

Officials from the Colorado Springs and Arvada police departments appeared at a joint news conference to brief reporters on what they had pieced together about Sunday's events.

The first incident took place Sunday at about 12:30 a.m. at Youth With a Mission in Arvada.

Police said a man with a beard, wearing a dark jacket, glasses, and skullcap, entered the facility, got into a dispute with a staff member about whether he could stay there for the night, and then opened fire.

Two staff members, Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24, died later Sunday from their injuries, Youth With a Mission co-founder Peter Warren said. Two other staff members were injured, and one was in critical condition.

Investigators tried to track the gunman through fresh snow with the help of dogs, but lost his trail in a heavily walked area, Deputy Chief Gary Creager of Arvada police said.

About 12 hours later, police say, Murray showed up at New Life Church as a service was letting out.

He fired on a family who were in or near their car. Two sisters, identified by police as Rachael Works, 16, and Stephanie Works, 18, were killed, and their father, David Works, 51, was also shot and is hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds.

Murray then entered the church, police say, where Assam was one of several security guards on duty. Video Watch more about Matthew Murray's background »

"I saw him coming through the doors," she told reporters on Monday. "I took cover, and I waited for him to get closer, and I came out of cover and identified myself, and engaged him, and took him down. And that's pretty much it."

Police said they were still investigating whether Assam's weapon killed Murray, or whether he might have died of a self-inflicted gunshot.

A source -- a long-time member of New Life Church -- said Murray had a falling out with Youth With a Mission after working with the organization a couple of years ago. The source said Murray sent antagonistic and threatening correspondence afterward.

No one has spoken publicly on behalf of Murray.

Earlier Monday, Brady Boyd, senior pastor of New Life Church, said the gunman was unknown to parishioners there.

"He simply showed up on our property yesterday with a gun, with the intention of hurting people, and he did," Boyd said.

Boyd said the megachurch instituted security precautions after the shootings at the Denver area mission center.
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Boyd said Assam was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to confront the gunman just inside the church. "She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said.

Assam said, "I give the credit to God. And I say that very humbly. God was with me and the whole time I was behind cover -- this has got to be God, because of the firepower that [the gunman] had vs. what I had -- was God. I did not run away and I didn't think for a minute to run away, I just knew that I was given the assignment to end this before it got too much worse. I just prayed for the Holy Spirit to guide me."

She told reporters she had not slept since the shooting, "as I'm sure you can tell."

She said she was on the third day of a three-day regimen of fasting and prayer, wanting to know God's will for what to do with her life, when the shooting took place.

"I was weak, and where I was weak, God made me strong," she said. "He filled me and he guided me and protected me and many other people. And I'm honored that God chose me."

Assam was one of about a dozen volunteer security guards at the church, half of whom are armed, Boyd said. The guards are licensed, trained and screened, and are church members, not "mercenaries," he said.

So some guy in Colorado Springs went and shot up a missionary center and a church 12 hours later, but was shot down by a member of the congregation with former law enforcement experience. Four people and the gunman were killed, and five were injured. It's sad that innocent people were killed, but it's nice to finally hear about somebody actually rising up and killing the guy quickly. I also find it funny how she says God was with her the whole time. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition, I suppose.

What are your thoughts on this all?
Last Edit: December 12, 2007, 11:41:00 pm by Mr. Hellguy
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She said she was on the third day of a three-day regimen of fasting and prayer, wanting to know God's will for what to do with her life, when the shooting took place.

"I was weak, and where I was weak, God made me strong," she said. "He filled me and he guided me and protected me and many other people. And I'm honored that God chose me."

This is the exact kind of stuff I wouldn't want appearing in articles.
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It's CNN, what'd you expect?

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Christian News Network lololol

Well, I'm glad the shooting wasn't any worse then this.  It's good someone was there to put a stop to it.
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how dare cnn report eye witness testimony
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church...security guard?...

well, I'm glad the shooting didn't end up with lots and lots of people dead!
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I don't know what to say and I hope I don't get warned for this but...

Police said a man with a beard, wearing a dark jacket, glasses, and skullcap, entered the facility, got into a dispute with a staff member about whether he could stay there for the night, and then opened fire.

Beard and a skullcap...



If he was jewish then could they be omitting this fact on purpose?  ​
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i was under the impression some badass priest whipped out a gun and shot him dead in his tracks by the name of the topic :(
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well, at least he was stopped
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Wow what the hell. +1 amirite?

church...security guard?...
This. I have never EVER heard of a church security guard. Also: aren't they not supposed to have guns? I thought their job was to make someone disruptful leave and call the cops if necessary... I didn't know they carried guns or were authorized to use them heaven forbid in a church.
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This. I have never EVER heard of a church security guard. Also: aren't they not supposed to have guns? I thought their job was to make someone disruptful leave and call the cops if necessary... I didn't know they carried guns or were authorized to use them heaven forbid in a church.
Apparently it's a large church, over 1000 members or something. Or at least that's what I got from the article. Those churches usually have security guards, but the whole gun thing kinda caught me off guard too. It might have just been her but I have no idea. But really, in this case, asking the guy to leave probably wouldn't work, and in a life or death situation is doesn't matter whether or not you're authorized to have a gun as long as you're saving lives.
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Apparently it's a large church, over 1000 members or something. Or at least that's what I got from the article. Those churches usually have security guards, but the whole gun thing kinda caught me off guard too. It might have just been her but I have no idea. But really, in this case, asking the guy to leave probably wouldn't work, and in a life or death situation is doesn't matter whether or not you're authorized to have a gun as long as you're saving lives.

There was also a shooting before it, so the church and nearby places may have beefed op security once they heard of the earlier shooting. Yeah, I heard of this earlier. Events like these are terrible.
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Wow what the hell. +1 amirite?
This. I have never EVER heard of a church security guard. Also: aren't they not supposed to have guns? I thought their job was to make someone disruptful leave and call the cops if necessary... I didn't know they carried guns or were authorized to use them heaven forbid in a church.

this is what i thought too, even if i disagree with it completely.
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This is the exact kind of stuff I wouldn't want appearing in articles.

Oh, no, how dare they report interviews accurately. Seriously, it's an article on an incident in a church, so what do you expect? Seriously? Take your anti religious shtick elsewhere, it's tiring.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that the church has armed security in such a large congregation and with an earlier incident before it. It's a shame that has to be the case, but it's a necessity I suppose.
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The sad thing here, to me, is that this is the kind of occurrence that gun nuts will point to, saying that there is a need for them to have weapons. Sure, if someone does start to shoot all around him, it'd be pretty nice if you could just take him out before he is able to kill anymore people, but in reality, it's a bit more complex than that. If America hadn't had such a big need for weapons in the first place, the country would most likely not be plagued by shootings so often. There's more than enough evidence that solidifies the link between guns and gun attacks, but of course, hardly anybody is willing to look closely enough.

Instead, people state that they should protect themselves because there's so much gun-related crime. Which is like paying off a loan with a new loan.
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I'm one of the first Americans who would rally for anti gun laws, but then you'd have the scores of American's rallying against what would be taking away their Constitutional rights. It's a shame really, but I don't see how the government could do that without some Deus Ex-esque nation wide armed revolt.
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I'm one of the first Americans who would rally for anti gun laws, but then you'd have the scores of American's rallying against what would be taking away their Constitutional rights. It's a shame really, but I don't see how the government could do that without some Deus Ex-esque nation wide armed revolt.
It's simply a big undertaking, similar to moving out of Iraq, that you have to plan out carefully and execute in several stages. You can't just decide on one day that you're going to revolt the country, much like you can't just collectively leave Iraq on one day (no matter how badly Ron Paul would want to).
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My friend was actually AT this church when it happened. Craziness.
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