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#61 December 13, 2007, 05:53:14 pm

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I do use preventive measures. I've got software that immunizes me against a shitload of spyware.

Quote from: Lord Kamina on December 13, 2007, 03:54:34 am

Really, a moron and only a moron uses the Windows firewall and nothing else as protection.
Face it, Windows XP can be alright with the right protection software. No, I am not saying Linux or Vista or Mac don't have better security. I am saying it IS possible to have a virus/spyware/malware free installation of XP if you have a remote idea of what you're doing...

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Kaspersky Internet Security + Router Firewall + Spybot Search & Destroy = Win.

Apparently you didn't read the nice link GoldenRatio gave: blacklists don't work. Read it again and try and understand why. Your software that protects you against spyware and viruses doesn't work.

Software firewalls as a rule are mostly useless. If you need a firewall, invest in a router. If you really want to run a software firewall, then just use Windows Firewall, because it's good enough, as software firewalls go. Any others will just be a waste of resources.

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I think it's not a serious improvement over XP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista oops!!!

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#62 December 13, 2007, 09:39:28 pm

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Quote from: DarkNecrid on December 13, 2007, 02:37:54 am

You're still going to have to tweak, mod, and renew your Mac if you want to do anything besides business related stuff on it.

You're wrong, and I wish you'd stop making up bizarre things to make another operating system or computer vendor look bad. Both Windows and Mac OS X are perfectly capable of running non-business programs, granted that you have somewhat decent hardware. It's an exaggeration to suggest that you need to constantly tweak your hardware for that purpose. If you're a tweaker, then by all means, get a non-Apple PC and do so. Apple hardware is meant for those who don't want to constantly do that.

Quote from: Federal Inspector David Drozdowski on December 13, 2007, 03:08:26 am

No I don't think you understand... mac is so pretty.... he just wants to look at the pretty...

You're an idiot. I have nothing else to say.

And to those who doubt whether they want to use Vista: assess which of the advantages you make use of and which of the disadvantages are bothering you. See if you can remedy any of those disadvantages, and then just see which of the two outweighs the other. You shouldn't be ashamed of downgrading, since I don't think any operating system has seen as many downgraders as Vista. It's being criticized heavily and despite never having actually used the system, I'd figure that at least some of it is very genuine. But ultimately, it's your own personal needs that you need to satisfy, so you're going to have to do some thinking, regardless.

EDIT: And by the way:

Quote from: DarkNecrid on December 13, 2007, 01:49:41 am

omg i have to spend time tweaking my PC, who knew?

This is a really bad argument against the criticism that the system has inappropriate standards. The average user should not have to tweak his system at all, because the defaults were made for him. For that reason, it shouldn't be so glaringly obvious that you need to put in effort in order to get the system to have sane behavior. And I don't mean for this last bit to be criticism towards Vista (it applies to every system), but just that it sounds to me like you're trying too hard to "be right" here. Be a little reasonable.

Last Edit: December 13, 2007, 09:46:43 pm by Dada

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#63 December 13, 2007, 10:23:23 pm

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Quote from: microsoft word document on December 13, 2007, 05:53:14 pm

Apparently you didn't read the nice link GoldenRatio gave: blacklists don't work. Read it again and try and understand why. Your software that protects you against spyware and viruses doesn't work.

It's funny you should say that considering my PC is clean and has been clean for over a year.

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#64 December 13, 2007, 10:28:17 pm

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You're wrong, and I wish you'd stop making up bizarre things to make another operating system or computer vendor look bad. Both Windows and Mac OS X are perfectly capable of running non-business programs, granted that you have somewhat decent hardware. It's an exaggeration to suggest that you need to constantly tweak your hardware for that purpose. If you're a tweaker, then by all means, get a non-Apple PC and do so. Apple hardware is meant for those who don't want to constantly do that.

Try to keep doing new non-business things with the same system forever.

i dont think my stock windows 98 is gonna be playing crysis any time soon

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#65 December 14, 2007, 02:59:49 am

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Quote from: DarkNecrid on December 13, 2007, 10:28:17 pm

Try to keep doing new non-business things with the same system forever.

i dont think my stock windows 98 is gonna be playing crysis any time soon

I...don't think that's what he meant.

But anyway, I do think the constant arguing could continue forever, since we all use our PC's for different things. The average PC user doesn't modify or tweak his settings to make things run faster, so we're talking about a very small percentage of the population who actually do some modifications. Most people are simply amazed on how Mac's run right out of the box, or how upgrading to 2GB of ram can really make your system fly.

So yeah, just thought I would point that out.

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#66 December 14, 2007, 07:28:18 am

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Quote from: DarkNecrid on December 13, 2007, 10:28:17 pm

Try to keep doing new non-business things with the same system forever.

GETTING A NEW COMPUTER is not the same as "constantly tweaking, modding, and renewing" your current computer. Or what, are you trying to imply you're still using the same "computer" you were using more than 10 years ago, and have simply replaced 100% of its hardware several times over since then?

Like I said, you're just trying too hard to be right here.

EDIT: and why don't you tell me what "non business-related stuff" is. Like, what is that supposed to even mean? Are you implying that you can run current business software on a 10-year-old computer, though you can't play recent games on it? Does this somehow relate to the stereotype that Macs are "meant for business things and not games"? I honestly don't understand what you're implying here, that's why I'm asking you to specify.

EDIT 2: you know what, nevermind, I'm not asking you anything anymore!

Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 07:31:34 am by Dada

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#67 December 14, 2007, 07:37:30 am

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Quote from: Dada on December 14, 2007, 07:28:18 am

GETTING A NEW COMPUTER is not the same as "constantly tweaking, modding, and renewing" your current computer. Or what, are you trying to imply you're still using the same "computer" you were using more than 10 years ago, and have simply replaced 100% of its hardware several times over since then?

Like I said, you're just trying too hard to be right here.

EDIT: and why don't you tell me what "non business-related stuff" is. Like, what is that supposed to even mean? Are you implying that you can run current business software on a 10-year-old computer, though you can't play recent games on it? Does this somehow relate to the stereotype that Macs are "meant for business things and not games"? I honestly don't understand what you're implying here, that's why I'm asking you to specify.

EDIT 2: you know what, nevermind, I'm not asking you anything anymore!

lmao

Sorry Dada, what I meant was (I'm going to clarify even if you told me not too ok!!!) is that, you're going to have to update your PC to do non-business related stuff, such as playing videogames, to keep up with the technology and such. You'd have to do that with business stuff too, but not on the same scale as games when it comes to having to change your computer so much.

ya, I'm trying really hard I guess so don't reply to this ok

please?

at any rate LK should really try out vista esp. when SP1 gets released

Its really not even bad, its just DIFFERENT than XP. When XP was released, people whined about it too! When Drule ( i think it was Drule) proposed the current forum position changes, some people WHINED too saying they'd never get used to it, but look now, they've gotten used to it.

You just have to get used to vista.

(and macs are probably seen as being business oriented and not videogame oriented because big business's use them over Windows, and there's like 5 professionally made games specifically out for Mac.)

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#68 December 14, 2007, 12:20:33 pm

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Quote from: Neophyte on December 14, 2007, 02:59:49 am

I...don't think that's what he meant.

But anyway, I do think the constant arguing could continue forever, since we all use our PC's for different things. The average PC user doesn't modify or tweak his settings to make things run faster, so we're talking about a very small percentage of the population who actually do some modifications. Most people are simply amazed on how Mac's run right out of the box, or how upgrading to 2GB of ram can really make your system fly.

So yeah, just thought I would point that out.

I was one of those persons... I've been using a PC since I was 5. From the time I learnt to read, pretty much. My first PC was a 386 with 80mb HD and DOS (I believe it didn't even have Win 3.1)

Since a few years after that, I began learning how to use it and modding it and customizing it and stuff... This all came to the time when I first got my Athlon and I began overclocking it, and overclocking my video card and pretty much everything. Then I stopped running out of money, I had my PS2 and I eventually realized I didn't even like 99.9% of PC games either way.

So, I stopped modding my PC for gaming and moved on to modding it "to make it work." Because I had an Athlon XP and no matter what I did I was unable to use it in the summer because of temperature... So, I got a better fan. Then I got a better HD to store more music and anime, and I found out my Mobo wasn't compatible with the HD. I got a new mobo and installed it, it turned out not to be compatible with my memories and the PC was unusable for about 3 months... Then I eventually bought my actual Celeron with a shitty mobo in which I can use my ram and HD and be happy, because I was SICK AND TIRED of FIGHTING my pc.

At about the same time my brother got the Mac and we were kinda like "So... It really just works, huh? You don't need to tweak or mod anything... Wow."

Quote from: DarkNecrid on December 13, 2007, 10:28:17 pm

Try to keep doing new non-business things with the same system forever.

i dont think my stock windows 98 is gonna be playing crysis any time soon

Can you please explain how editting videos, images and listening to music and watching movies/anime/series is "business-related"
Or, like omeg said... Try running Autocad 2008 on a win 98 computer and see how it goes. Your argument is stupid and void.

Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 12:22:25 pm by Lord Kamina

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#69 December 14, 2007, 02:01:06 pm

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Quote from: DarkNecrid on December 14, 2007, 07:37:30 am

(and macs are probably seen as being business oriented and not videogame oriented because big business's use them over Windows, and there's like 5 professionally made games specifically out for Mac.)

Although there has been a large shift in recent years, the majority of businesses use some form of Windows over Macs. The biggest reason is that Apple is marketed primarily to individuals, not businesses.

Those who can, pay. Those who can't, delay.

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#70 December 14, 2007, 03:47:02 pm

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Can you please explain how editting videos, images and listening to music and watching movies/anime/series is "business-related"

You may not use it for business, but businesses do! Businesses don't play videogames though.

Also AutoCad 2008 runs in Windows 98 just fine. The OS isn't supported, but it still works.

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Although there has been a large shift in recent years, the majority of businesses use some form of Windows over Macs. The biggest reason is that Apple is marketed primarily to individuals, not businesses.

Really? All the business guys I know use Mac, and all I ever read about is business people with Mac's. Exception being game industry! @A@

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#71 December 14, 2007, 05:11:59 pm

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Quote from: DarkNecrid on December 14, 2007, 03:47:02 pm

Really? All the business guys I know use Mac, and all I ever read about is business people with Mac's. Exception being game industry! @A@

Really? All the business guys I know use PCs, and all I ever read about it business people with PCs. Exception being graphics industry! @A@

You see, rhetoric gets you nowhere.

Also, let's avoid Mac vs. PC debate #298420123 if at all possible.

Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 05:14:54 pm by Mr Epic Hero

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#72 December 14, 2007, 05:23:07 pm

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Yeah, seriously. If you want to debate mac vs. pc or whatever then make a new topic i GUESS but keep it out of here.

"Should I switch back to XP?"

yes coulombs are "germaine", did you learn that word at talk like a dick school?

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#73 December 14, 2007, 07:58:41 pm

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ANYWAY.

Maybe it would help if you'd just make a list of the things that really bother you about Vista. Then we'll try fixing them somehow.

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#74 December 15, 2007, 01:21:11 am

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Also, what things about XP do you like that you want to switch back for? What differences between things in both do you prefer the XP style of?

yes coulombs are "germaine", did you learn that word at talk like a dick school?

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#75 December 15, 2007, 10:27:50 pm

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Wow, I cannot believe this debate has gone on so long without me mentioning that the easy solution is just to drop everything and run a Linux distro.

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#76 December 16, 2007, 09:23:17 pm

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It's funny that you mention that because it's not a solution at all.

yes coulombs are "germaine", did you learn that word at talk like a dick school?

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#77 December 16, 2007, 10:21:13 pm

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So wait... You are suggesting I run MacOSX minus the awesome interface?

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#78 December 16, 2007, 11:00:12 pm

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Uh, I just downloaded some sort of upgrade or some shit, and I really read through all of everyone's points, and Vista wins the debate for me. There's a few things that irk me about it, but I figure that they'll be fixed as timee goes on. I'll be patient and simmer down with Vista for a bit, I'll grow to like it as more updates and more compatibility and functionality upgrades are improved.

Thanks to everyone, though! I really appreciate it.

Last Edit: December 16, 2007, 11:03:37 pm by Perpetual Moogle

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#79 December 16, 2007, 11:05:23 pm

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Quote from: Perpetual Moogle on December 16, 2007, 11:00:12 pm

Uh, I just downloaded some sort of upgrade or some shit, and I really read through all of everyone's points, and Vista wins the debate for me. There's a few things that irk me about it, but I figure that they'll be fixed as timee goes on. I'll be patient and simmer down with Vista for a bit, I'll grow to like it as more updates and more compatibility and functionality upgrades are improved.

Thanks to everyone, though! I really appreciate it.

Eventually I'll have to switch to Vista too... I just want to postpone it as much as possible.

Last Edit: December 16, 2007, 11:07:00 pm by Lord Kamina

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#80 December 17, 2007, 11:05:49 pm

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Well, What ever floats your boat Perpetual Moogle. No shame in what ever you choose. Just take what works for ya!

I personally am interested in how the next windows (codename; blackcomb) will unfold. Until then, I will just stick with server 2003. Oh and remember to tell us how vista turns out for you!

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