Science The Hypersonic Age is Near (Read 3573 times)

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Recent breakthroughs in scramjet engines could mean two-hour flights from New York to Tokyo. They could also mean missiles capable of striking any continent in a moment's notice. No wonder the race to develop them is as fierce as ever.

Wow, so I've been engrossed in this article: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviationspace/a3bfe2e6fb5c6110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html for the past hour or so.

First of all, I had no idea these scramjet engines even existed! This is so cool, they've gotten one up to mach 9.6 with only 10 seconds of scramjet power. That is fucking INSANE. This isn't even a theory, they are testing these right now. It is some amazing stuff, imo. I just found the article really fascinating.

Also, what do you guys think of this as far as weapons go? With this technology, it's possible to demolish a country before they even have a chance to fire anything back, meaning the whole "you shoot we all die" thing kinda won't work anymore? I dunno with great power comes great responsibility and this seems like a great fucking power imo. you go science!




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They have been hyping this for perhaps decades now. Wake me when the president has one.
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This is actually really scary.
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We will all be dead by the time they're able to launch one of those. The march of the penguins has already begun, and with Freeman leading them... well, never has there been a more soothing knell.
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This is actually really scary.

Pretty much this.

Just going to take one asshole who doesn't care if him or his people go with us to get ahold of this and GG.
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It would be interesting to know how they develop electronic navigation components for the outside of the craft considering the high temperatures.
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They won't be able to use these for commercial flights at all for at least a decade or two, because a large object travelling that much faster than the speed of sound is dangerous. 
You've heard what it sounds like for a jet to fly overhead?  Three times that volume flying over the countryside would destroy eardrums in like a 40-mile radius.  They are trying to develop aircrafts that are so aerodynamic that they don't produce sound in flight, but that's going to be hard to do.
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I'm writing my will up... I think I'll pass my PS2 and my rarities to...

But in all seriousness, it sounds cool and bad at the same time, I don't know how to put it in actually, flyin' at Mach Speed... cool... we're doomed.
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There's something very Orwellian about the whole living in fear of "the bomb" thing. Consider WW2, the number of advances in aviation, computing and medicine for a cause such as warfare. Consider the "terrorist threat" - these are all things that are very real but in a way it allows society to funtion and move towards something under it's shadow. We'll believe what the news tells us and be afraid. Some of us wake up in the night because our dreams are scattered by the seeds planted.

I can feel the plot for a science fiction RPG coming on. AGAIN.
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The article was too long for my hurting brain to read, but it seems from the comments that there is a fear that these things will bring a new era of warfare. There already exist enough conventional explosives to destroy the entire world, never mind atomic weapons. There is no such thing as a "first and final" strike weapon, because unless you launch one of these things at every enemy nuclear silo (probably somewhere in the low hundreds) in the world at once they will be able to counter with regular warheads and end your shit.

This just brings mutually assured destruction into another level. ICBMs are slow enough that the firer can change his or her mind for several minutes after they are launched, and there exist several means of intercepting them. However, an intercontinental missile using a scramjet would cause immediate retribution, even before the damn things had hit the ground.

The biggest threat of these bad boys is that someone with an itchy trigger finger will launch what they view as a "preemptive" strike against an opponent with hypersonic weapons.

Also I saw Darpa in there so I can only assume we are safe so long as Solid Snake is around!

edit: Oh yeah I guess there is some practical commercial international usage for them, too, but let's not forget the commercial failure that was the Concorde jet, despite being much faster than regular aeroplanes!
Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 04:36:49 am by Kaempfer
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Why do they always think of some destructive use of anything some other people invents or discovers?

"NEWS: Science confirms that there's life in Mars. It could means interplanetary cultural exchanges or an army of martian zombies that could kill more people than normal soldiers"

"NEWS: Science invents nano-robots. They can be used to cure cancer but the Army is thinking of inserting them into missles to destroy terrorist bunkers and then kill a lot of people"
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Why do they always think of some destructive use of anything some other people invents or discovers?

"NEWS: Science confirms that there's life in Mars. It could means interplanetary cultural exchanges or an army of martian zombies that could kill more people than normal soldiers"

"NEWS: Science invents nano-robots. They can be used to cure cancer but the Army is thinking of inserting them into missles to destroy terrorist bunkers and then kill a lot of people"


Prehistoric man: Hey man, what do you think would happen if I took this stick, which I use to hunt with, and bashed your brains out with it?

Stone age man: I'll trade this pelt for your 3 daughters.

Jewish man: Hey, I think we should totally write down our peoples history, now that we are locked up in babylon. And while we are at it,  let's put in a couple of Babylonian tales, and make it a complete lie, enslaving larger parts of the western world for millenniums to come.

Medieval man: We got weapons, so we'll defend you in return for food and gold; and then leave you to famine/plague/whatever. If not we'll try some new instruments of torture on you.

Frenchie: Look at this guillotine! Now we can decapitate thousands of people in an instant!

German guy: I made a cheap way to bleach clothes efficiently! And killing jews, yeah, that works too.

German guy #2: Building rockets to get to places faster you say? No, lets shoot them at the allies.

Ford: This thing releases fumes that smells bad, make my head hurts and looks kinda creepy, but it sure runs fast!

American guy: look mr president, this atom thing could blow two whole metropolises and it's inhabitants up, and then completely desolate the area for decades to come.
Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 04:22:35 pm by Mr.Nemo
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you have a middle schooler's understanding of history and technology (and you're kind of racist too)

but yeah anyway wouldn't this kind of technology be the next step to like.. deep space exploration or has that already been discussed?
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I'm pretty sure scramjet engines don't work in the vacuum of space wash cycle
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I'll not TAKE ANYTHING you write like this seriously because it looks dumb
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I'm pretty sure scramjet engines don't work in the vacuum of space wash cycle
do you fucking read for context or do you just read string phrases

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you have a middle schooler's understanding of history and technology (and you're kind of racist too)



awesome

but i didnt like middle school.

EDIT: also, how am I a racist?
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Jewish man: Hey, I think we should totally write down our peoples history, now that we are locked up in babylon. And while we are at it,  let's put in a couple of Babylonian tales, and make it a complete lie, enslaving larger parts of the western world for millenniums to come.
not only do you have a poor understanding of the circumstances surrounding the codification of the hebrew scriptures but you've drawn some really stupid conclusions about it as well and tied in some global jewish conspiracy bullshit that would make David Irving cum in his panties

also what I was saying with the middle schooler comment has nothing to do with middle school (hint: it was me telling you you think like a 12 year old)
Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 06:49:23 pm by Wash Cycle
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awesome

but i didnt like middle school.
that explains why you didn't learn anything then
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It'd be an odd-age to see these things everyday outside, advancement in technology is getting really impressive yet scary to where the point it'll kill us all.
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