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I watched The Secret a few weeks ago, and it didn't need to be 90 minutes long.  It could have been summarized in about seven minutes.

While I do believe positive thinking helps a person to an extent, simply thinking about things doesn't do shit.  All of the people in the movie who told their stories actively sought out what they wanted.  The guy who was paralyzed forced himself to be able to move again.  The guy who wrote Chicken Soup for the Soul gave speeches before he was published. 
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Well yeah, there's a plaque my aunt has in her room where she does her writing it says:
"Thought without action is merely a dream"

So, of course you have to put action to it. But atleast thinking in the right direction gets you moving in the right direction.
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Well yeah, there's a plaque my aunt has in her room where she does her writing it says:
"Thought without action is merely a dream"

So, of course you have to put action to it. But atleast thinking in the right direction gets you moving in the right direction.
Exactly, but the movie doesn't really put it that way. 
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"The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality."
--  George Bernard Shaw
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I'm surprised nobody has said LET'S POSITIVE THINKING yet

But yeah it depends on what this is about - I mean I've spent plenty of time on GW just for the sake of NOT DOING THING (much like I'm doing now), and I swear if I had used that time wisely I could've been a Norwegian pop star by now

Also I don't think there's any real point to being all like ARGH I'M IN A WAITING ROOM or ARGH I'M IN A SUPERMARKET. I dunno, it's not really that stressful of a thing, is it? Then again I'm one of those people who wastes money on food a lot, like I just get weird crap whenever I feel like it

But yeah if you're going to get HITBYTRUCK it's pretty much going to happen unless you could've avoided it by not being drunk or something but that's not karma that's not being drunk
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y'know, I'm an atheist, but everytime I eat a PEACH, it is one of those things that makes me believe there is a God
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It's funny how more than half of you completely missed the concept here. It's not magical thinking or some bullshit like that. I personally believe that it's all about the power of your mind and will; however "monkey-will" or whatever it is, your mind and ones perception of reality is more important to success or failure than anything else in the world to a single person.
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It's funny how more than half of you completely missed the concept here. It's not magical thinking or some bullshit like that. I personally believe that it's all about the power of your mind and will; however "monkey-will" or whatever it is, your mind and ones perception of reality is more important to success or failure than anything else in the world to a single person.

It depends on if you mean the concept of positive thinking, or the concept of The Secret (which is magical bullshit).
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I dont know. The thought that positive thinking should make your life better seems like something really wrong to believe in. Its like it is saying, poor unsuccessful people are only this way because they dont TRY enough. Its ridiculous.

Karma and other things like that sort of do half the job of making you a better person. It means you got to do nice things, or bad things will happen to you. Its a way of saying, "do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you", but giving some sort of magical reason for it.
The actual reason you shouldnt "do to others what you would not want them do to you", is because of your conscience and sense of justice. They affect your self-image deeply. So much that even were you to find great success in life, a large amount of guilt would still drag you on the path to depression. To enjoy your fortunes, you must have a feeling that you deserve this fortune, that you are in accord with yourself, that you are close enough to your own ideals as a human being.

A lot of things like this are sort of told wrong when superstitions are thrown in with it.
Think of the Christian prayer before eating: even though the prayer largely says, you are thankful to god for providing you with food, the actual message is not, pray more and food will magically appear when you're hungry, because god likes you more and will change the threads of fate so you get more food.
The REAL message behind "thank you" prayers is that if you have food, its mostly due to chance (here, God and his "mysterious ways"): you could have been born in a third world country or in a very poor family. Bad shit could have happened to you. You don't have control on most aspects of what happens to you.
Its sort of a message that tells you, enjoy this moment for what you have, because many others do not have your luck. Its saying, respect people who don't have your social standing, because they often just didn't have the luck you had. You could be at their place right now. Lots of people who are in the streets got there because of events completely out of their control. Respect them, like you would probably want to be respected in their place.

Like I said, the problem with saying the message this way, is that it can lead to interpretations that are fucking wrong. Some people actually think that when someone is out on the streets, its because hes a criminal, or an otherwise despicable human being, and god (or karma or whatever) is punishing him. If hes in bad shape, if hes poor, he deserves it. Its pretty much PRECISELY the opposite of what the actual message is (well as far as Christian prayer goes... with karma, it actually means that. ooops.)
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No, their beliefs are being criticized, as all beliefs should be.

I don't know if this statement is EXTREME IRONY or being BLATANTLY HYPOCRITICAL.  Please circle the correct bold response.
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I don't know if this statement is EXTREME IRONY or being BLATANTLY HYPOCRITICAL.  Please circle the correct bold response.
C) Neither.  Beliefs should always be criticized.  I fail to see how either is the case; such a position is only rational.
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EDIT: also, I'd like to stress here that success is the culmination of effort (and luck). It has nothing to do with whether you think you're going to be successful. It's only going to work if you actually roll up your sleeves and get to it. I wouldn't have a good job today if I didn't exert the effort to go out and find one two years ago. I also wouldn't have kept that job for very long if I hadn't immediately started brushing up my skills, because I was actually not very qualified for the job when I started it. (Though I'm still very lazy, by the way.)
blah blah blah this whole thing, or at least this topic's (and movie's?) take on it, is dumb and totally unreasonable and really is not an especially applicable philosophy.  but uh, i'd very much disagree with you saying that, even though effort/luck are the major factors involved in deciding what does and does not happen in your life, what you think about what's going to happen doesn't affect anything.  your thoughts dictate your attitude, and very few people can honestly say that their attitude never influences their actions.  there's a big difference, i think, between looking at something positively and looking at the same thing negatively; the difference is how you perceive it, and a person's perception of a situation, or another person, or whatever, can have a fairly extraordinary effect.  most of this is bogus, and that goes without saying, but i think it should also go without saying that how someone looks at something, and whether they think of it in a positive or in a negative way, absolutely has some influence on events.  that's not to say that a positive perspective will necessarily lead to a more favorable chain of events or anything, but still, it's a definite possibility, and even a likelihood that it will lead to SOMETHING different, good or bad.
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C) Neither.  Beliefs should always be criticized.  I fail to see how either is the case; such a position is only rational.
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C) Neither.  Beliefs should always be criticized.  I fail to see how either is the case; such a position is only rational.

Belief and faith go hand in hand but they aren't exclusively religious.  I have faith that I will die only of natural causes; I'm not 100% correct, but I have faith that it will come true.  I believe that all men are inherently evil.  That has nothing to do with religion; just personal choices.

Your choice to follow whatever method of thinking is your belief.  You obviously have faith in your own belief, otherwise you wouldn't care to believe in it in the first place.  Thinking "rationally" is only based on the information you know and unless you experience the "truth" firsthand, you can't claim everything you read in a science text 100% correct otherwise you're putting FAITH in someone else's work.

An Atheist who criticizes a Christian is just as wrong as a Christian who criticizes an Atheist.  All men have free will to believe whatever they wish to and no one can question that; anyone who says otherwise is a fucking hypocrite.  You may disagree with them, but that's fine.  That's natural.  But telling them they are wrong for not believing what you believe, regardless of what it is, makes you a piece of trash. 

Rationality is only based on your own logic and no one thinks the same thus everyone believes something different.

There, I just criticized your beliefs.
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I know that everyone is different and what works for some may not work for others, but I just encourage you to try this out

Obviously that sentence went without notice. It's just something that worked for me and could potentially work for someone else. I didn't come here to challenge your beliefs or to say that what you believe is wrong and shouldn't be practiced, I just wanted to give a new perspective. Each of us has our own views and beliefs that work for us, but I think the main thing here is that in our lives we seek this - happiness and stability. You go to school to get a better education (or you may not, some people join the military, start bands, become skilled in a trade, etc..) to get a job that will pay you good money so you can live without financial stress and do the things you love the most. After all, we can agree on one thing, this is the only life we get, so do the things you want to do because life is too short and if that includes flaming me because I was wanted to inform the possibly uninformed about a new perspective, so be it. Just know I respect your beliefs and don't give you shit so you could atleast do the same for me. Thanks. haha love ya gw, honestly. You give me entertainment and brain tickles.  ​
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Belief and faith go hand in hand but they aren't exclusively religious.  I have faith that I will die only of natural causes; I'm not 100% correct, but I have faith that it will come true.  I believe that all men are inherently evil.  That has nothing to do with religion; just personal choices.

Your choice to follow whatever method of thinking is your belief.  You obviously have faith in your own belief, otherwise you wouldn't care to believe in it in the first place.  Thinking "rationally" is only based on the information you know and unless you experience the "truth" firsthand, you can't claim everything you read in a science text 100% correct otherwise you're putting FAITH in someone else's work.

An Atheist who criticizes a Christian is just as wrong as a Christian who criticizes an Atheist.  All men have free will to believe whatever they wish to and no one can question that; anyone who says otherwise is a fucking hypocrite.  You may disagree with them, but that's fine.  That's natural.  But telling them they are wrong for not believing what you believe, regardless of what it is, makes you a piece of trash. 

Rationality is only based on your own logic and no one thinks the same thus everyone believes something different.

There, I just criticized your beliefs.

See, now you're starting to get it.
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I don't understand angry black man, are you simply against the fact we are discussing this? I mean what else is there to talk about? He tells a story about how a new view of life has changed him and made him a better man, and people tell their thoughts about this philosophy of his.  I don't think its inappropriate or anything...
The posts seem to almost unanimously disagree with the new view of life so far, so it does make it seem like hes being CORNERED AND ATTACKED, but most posts don't really seem like flames, either. I think you're overreacting.

(about this here META-DEBATE: CRITICISING BELIEFS BLAH BLAH FAITH BLAH BLAH. I feel like entering this here because I get the feeling many people participate in these debates because we all use the same terms without a firm consensus on their meanings, so people end up confused and the debates go nowhere. Though im not sure if what Angry Black Man said was actually part of the debate or was just some sort of attack on the very idea of questioning beliefs? Or some sort of mix of both? mmmh....

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Belief and faith go hand in hand but they aren't exclusively religious.  I have faith that I will die only of natural causes; I'm not 100% correct, but I have faith that it will come true.  I believe that all men are inherently evil.  That has nothing to do with religion; just personal choices.

Your choice to follow whatever method of thinking is your belief.  You obviously have faith in your own belief, otherwise you wouldn't care to believe in it in the first place.  Thinking "rationally" is only based on the information you know and unless you experience the "truth" firsthand, you can't claim everything you read in a science text 100% correct otherwise you're putting FAITH in someone else's work.

An Atheist who criticizes a Christian is just as wrong as a Christian who criticizes an Atheist.  All men have free will to believe whatever they wish to and no one can question that; anyone who says otherwise is a fucking hypocrite.  You may disagree with them, but that's fine.  That's natural.  But telling them they are wrong for not believing what you believe, regardless of what it is, makes you a piece of trash.

Rationality is only based on your own logic and no one thinks the same thus everyone believes something different.

There, I just criticized your beliefs.
I never stated they were exclusively religious.  I simply stated that beliefs are not inherently valuable, and they should always be criticized.  For some reason you sound as if "Criticism" is a bad thing.  Although stating an "Atheist" who criticizes a Christian is just as wrong as vice versa is sort of silly, since one(Atheists) are not presuming anything, while the other is making a baseless statement.  Atheists lack belief in the supernatural; this is based on the lack of reason or evidence towards a presumed "belief." Criticism of beliefs, including your own, refines them; I can question anybody I want, including myself.  This does not make me a hypocrite; this makes me smart.  Your assumption that beliefs are inherently valuable without any criticism, reasoning, and thought is pathetic at best.  If people don't like having their beliefs criticized, then they should put more time into rationaling their beliefs to themselves first; theres a lot of refining that can be done.

You could call me a piece of trash all you want.  I would just laugh.  Talk about PC.
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Though im not sure if what Angry Black Man said was actually part of the debate or was just some sort of attack on the very idea of questioning beliefs?
People fight and die in order to protect what they believe in.  It's a personal discovery and there's no way you can criticize it because it's not something you've experienced personally.  It's like saying "Everyone who smokes pot is bad" or "Minorities exaggerate racism"; if you've never dealt with pot or if you've never experienced racism, there's no way you can intelligently tell someone "you are flawed" based on what you've never experienced. 

I just don't like conversations about this kind of matter period and I try my hardest not to post in them but I made a mistake in doing so.  Uh... just ignore all my posts because I won't be coming back here!