This really isn't suprising at all. I am pretty much convinced every sport / competitive event of any kind has a considerable amount of people taking THE JUICE to get the edge. It really pisses me off when you know someone is taking them just by looking at them and they have to play this charade of "heh i eat vitamin everyday". It's even worse when some random player is suspended just to make it look like they're cracking down. There's no incentive for any sports league to take any action though because people want to see !WOW! 100MPH FASTBALL and 70 homerun seasons and the players know the MLB won't do anything as long as they keep up the act. You'd pretty much have to be video taped buying steroids and injecting them directly into your penis vein (more penis power???) in order for anything to be done. If anything, the league would do everything in it's power to preserve Clemens and any other star players name.

also a bonus quote from the article

Radomski stated that, beginning in 1996, he sold Deca-Durabolin and testosterone to Hundley on three or four occasions. At the beginning of that year, Radomski told Hundley that if he used steroids, he would hit 40 home runs. Hundley hit 41 home runs in 1996, having never hit more than 16 in any prior year. After the season, Radomski said, Hundley took him out to dinner.

looks like hughley owes someone a dinner

naturally, i would have been slightly more enthusiastic about the whole report if the person in charge of it wasn't one of the directors of a major league baseball team. it's awfully suspicious that zero current boston redsox appear on the list, when that's the team that he should have had the most access to, and more than half the list are players from division rivals.

it would have been nicer to get someone impartial to do it. it feels like he pretty much just talked to people in the mets, yankees, angels, and orioles organizations.

either way, i'm pretty tired of all this steroid shit, and just don't really care anymore. i've enjoyed watching a lot of players on that list and, when it really comes down to it, they're really there purely for my personal amusement. if they kill themselves doing it, so be it. their choice. it's just a stupid game, and people who somehow see professional sport as some critical reflection of societal ethics should seek professional help immediately. one of the major reasons why steroid abuse is really a big deal at all to major league baseball is because, in their constant effort to be more marketable, they try to portray baseball players(and all athletes) as ROLE MODELS when, in fact, they are extraordinarily dumb and worthless guys.

so yeah, they can throw all those guys out of the league or do nothing at all for all i care. there's always going to be some other dumbshit with the critical intellect necessary to SWING BASEBALL BAT/THROW BASEBALL

either way, i'm pretty tired of all this steroid shit, and just don't really care anymore. i've enjoyed watching a lot of players on that list and, when it really comes down to it, they're really there purely for my personal amusement. if they kill themselves doing it, so be it. their choice. it's just a stupid game, and people who somehow see professional sport as some critical reflection of societal ethics should seek professional help immediately.

there's two problems:

1. steroids are illegal. the mlb or any other sport league doesn't want to be seen as illegal and i don't think any sport league would want to take the bodybuilding "we don't use drugs p.s. if you do not have super muscles compete in MR NATURAL EVENTS" approach.

2. straight edge players don't like the idea of steroids because it makes it harder for them to compete and they don't want to die / have serious health problems / testicle shrinkage just to hit baseballs harder.

i could care less what they do but the idea that genuinely talented guys won't make the cut because they don't do drugs is very disheartening to me.

1. steroids are illegal. the mlb or any other sport league doesn't want to be seen as illegal and i don't think any sport league would want to take the bodybuilding "we don't use drugs p.s. if you do not have super muscles compete in MR NATURAL EVENTS" approach.

sure, i don't blame them for that or anything. i'm just not going to stress over it if their grand scheme doesn't work or if players i like get busted. i've been following professional baseball for a very long time now, and definitely enjoyed it through years where the vast majority of baseball players were "cheating".

2. straight edge players don't like the idea of steroids because it makes it harder for them to compete and they don't want to die / have serious health problems / testicle shrinkage just to hit baseballs harder.

don't get me wrong, i don't like the idea of it either. i mean, i would be very happy if they could one day get to the point where they had some genuinely fool-proof way of eliminating steroids from the game entirely. however, for the foreseeable future, i see it as being an extremely uphill battle, and i just don't think it's worth worrying about when it comes to following professional baseball. like everyone says, it's more about the purity of the game(and NUMBERS) than it really is about doing things outside of the rulebook. but in all honesty, if i want to get a taste of real baseball purity i'll get some buddies together and actually play the game. i don't think anybody can realistically turn to major league baseball and expect much PETE ROSE ACTION. baseball has been the way it currently is for an extremely long time.

i could care less what they do but the idea that genuinely talented guys won't make the cut because they don't do drugs is very disheartening to me.

disheartening, yeah, but nowadays when it comes to actually watching the games and following the players, you really have no way of saying X PLAYER NEVER GOT THAT CHANCE. there have been players i said that about that i REALLY did not think took steroids that ended up in Mitchell's book.

i'm primarily talking about Howie Clark here, but this is honestly one of the players that i thought was one of the "good guys." if someone asked me to compile a list of 20 active players that i was REALLY CONVINCED wasn't on steroids, i'd have put him on it. he was never a great player, but Clark was one of those scrappy singles hitters that really seemed to make the absolute most of his opportunity. you could tell he liked the game an awful lot, and the fans always responded to that in both the majors and the minors. i always thought he was deserving of much more of a chance than he was given. i distinctly remember in the past using him as an example of the kind of player that i thought was getting snubbed because of the abundance of steroid users in major league baseball. and, as it turned out, i was completely wrong about the guy.

so yeah, disheartening when you think of baseball on some really general level. you actually have no way of really knowing this as you're actively watching or following the game. you can really only assume that there are players somewhere not getting that chance because PLAYER X doesn't really deserve to be there.


ps i didn't know you liked/followed baseball, dude.

I like to play football, but I am absolutely rubbish at it, I do prefer hockey and well......I am good at it :P.

fuckin Roque Santa Cruz man where was that form for the last 2 months

too bad Friedel is so inconsistent... it seems that nothing can get by him from top table clubs but he cant stop shit from teams like Wigan icky icky

Gogogogogogo Sven i say

There were plenty of former red sox on the list. It was compiled over four years and many players on the list were on the red sox during the time it was compiled

Did you read some of the evidence in that report?  Quite a bit of it is merely someone saying they saw a player take them.  They're just taking someone's word to be legit without any other evidence, and basically destroying a players career.  I don't really give a shit either way, because baseball has always been a game of cheaters.

If you ask me this investigation didn't go back far enough.  Steroids have been a part of baseball for the last 70 years, so this report really accomplishes nothing, other than feeding the myth that it's a new problem.

fuck you tevez go see a dentist you piece of shit

man we were lucky to draw
and that horrible tackle on yorke really deserved a red imho

It was compiled over four years and many players on the list were on the red sox during the time it was compiled

you mean 2. donnelly and gagne. i'm refuse to count mike stanton and his one inning pitched during 2005.

There were plenty of former red sox on the list.

I actually went through the list and counted the Red Sox up. Extremely clever selection. Josias Manzanillo pitched one inning with the team in 1991. Canseco was a no-brainer, and it'd be humiliating if he was off the list. I think you can say the same about Jeremy Giambi, who I seem to recall confessing a few years ago anyway. The rest include Paxton Crawford, Mike Stanton, Kent Mercker, Steve Woodard, and Mike Lansing. The one prominent Red Sock was Mo Vaughn, but that was NINE YEARS AGO, and his name is only mentioned in relation to his tenure with the Mets. Donnelly and Gagne seem to be the only recent Red Sox of note, but, in all honesty, they're players that I wouldn't really see anyone in the organization give two shits about throwing under the bus. Of the acquisitions the Red Sox have made the last several years, getting Donnelly and Gagne were absolutely some of the most utterly unproductive, short of dumping Arroyo for Pena.

So yeah, there were "plenty," but the assortment is really beautiful. A true work of art. By the sources he dug up, you honestly have to wonder if he even talked with ANY people within the Boston Red Sox organization. But he made it so you can say HEY THERE ARE RED SOX ON THERE MITCHELL DID HIS JOB, but did so by listing players that either sucked miserably or hadn't played with the team since the new millennium. Yet he systematically went to personnel from every other north eastern major league baseball team and got DOZENS of players. Even the Expos are significantly represented.

But even more honestly: Can you even blame him for this?!? If you were assigned this task, would you start going around incriminating players from your own employer, when you're compiling a list that nobody is expecting to be all-encompassing? He had the luxury of being selective in who he sought for information, and it's pretty clear that he made the most of it. But still, I don't even really blame the guy for this. It'd really be very dumb of him to do that to his own team when he doesn't have to.

I blame fucking Bud Selig or whoever had the bright fucking idea to put someone in charge of this with blatantly apparent bias. It makes a fucking absurd situation all the more absurd.

oh yeah, forgot about clemens. the guy's the talk of the world and i forgot. THE red sock on the list.

but yeah, i obviously don't need to say how much sense it makes for a man working for the Red Sox to put Clemens on a list like this. one less quality arm in the new york yankees rotation means a couple more games up on the standings for the red sox.

the only former sock in the past 5 years who is not on the list that you can reasonably think might have been on the juice is Nomar, sad to say it but I have always felt he was at least using hgh.

Is there really anyone on the current sox who fits the juice mold? Ortiz is out of shape and fat, manny is lol and you couldn't seriously think he could be on it. Lowell... maybe in Florida, those numbers were a bit suspect and his arms were ridiculous looking. Schilling? Out of shape fat guy. Beckett is scrawny and has always thrown close to 100, steroids would have had to help his command and teach him a new curveball to improve his game. Gagne was a no brainer, everyone knew he was on roids.

the only former sock in the past 5 years who is not on the list that you can reasonably think might have been on the juice is Nomar, sad to say it but I have always felt he was at least using hgh.

Is there really anyone on the current sox who fits the juice mold? Ortiz is out of shape and fat, manny is lol and you couldn't seriously think he could be on it. Lowell... maybe in Florida, those numbers were a bit suspect and his arms were ridiculous looking. Schilling? Out of shape fat guy. Beckett is scrawny and has always thrown close to 100, steroids would have had to help his command and teach him a new curveball to improve his game. Gagne was a no brainer, everyone knew he was on roids.

Howie Clark made the list.

Howie Clark

Beyond the fact that he is LOL ORIOLES, explain to me how he was more of a steroid suspect than David Ortiz, who went from Sam Horn to Mo Vaughn literally over night, after having spent seven extremely mediocre years with the Twins.

As far as I'm concerned, you can't rule anybody out. Body type and perceived workout regimen has very little use when it comes to who actually did steroids. Take a look at the list. The "juice mold" doesn't mean shit. I could absolutely make a legitimate case against every player you just casually brushed off, but I don't want to start some argument here.

I mean seriously, you're really fooling yourself if you can honestly say LOL FAT/LAZY to explain players who are at the pinnacle of baseball playing ability. POWER PLAYERS, no less.

But whatever, I'm not trying to convince you that the entire team is juiced as I don't really give a shit, but it's really an unacceptable argument after the sort of players we've seen named.

Hi I don't know anything about baseball. I always thought baseball was the kind of sport where steroids wouldn't give you that much of an edge. The players I always see (I say always, I never see baseball) seem to be strong lookin fat guys with big old bellies hanging over their short trousers

I guess I'm just naive about the state of all professional sports these days huh

By the way I think it's just totally awesome that there's a baseball team called the RED SOX and they wear RED SOCKS you just can't make this shit up

MMA and football.

hey