What are you high or do you just not understand how things like this work.

Do you REALLY think Indiana is just going to GIVE him away? Ignore the fact that they would have to get a max contract back (Jefferson) to even fit O'neill on under the cap (Protip: You can't fit four max contracts under the cap) your vision isn't going to happen.

Now they might trade Jefferson and Kristic for like O'Neill and a bag of balls, but is a starting five of Kidd Carter Role Player Role Player O'Neill really anything write home about in a division with Boston (Big three where every single player is better than anyone on the nets), Toronto, and a conference with Detroit and Miami?

Do you not understand what a hypothetical situation is? I didn't say this WOULD happen, I'm saying that if O'Neal opted out (Is he a FA?) and went to the Nets NOT taking in a max contract (Just wants to play for a contender so he can get a ring), that's the situation I was speaking of. Something like Malone did with the Lakers just because that was his final year of play and wanted a ring, while O'Neal still has a good number of years ahead of him.. I know exactly how it works, I was just saying how DANGEROUS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN if this came to pass. Obviously it won't and I know that...

But Boston is strengthening their bench as the days go on, they just signed Pollard, House and even trying to get one of the top 50 greatest players in NBA history to come out of retirement, Reggie Miller.. but he's obviously not gonna be playing that much and won't be nearly as effective even just a few years ago in his last years with the Pacers. But he'll provide a bit of spark still..

LA would have to give away some prospects as well for him to come if they wanted him, but I think Jermaine is gonna stay right where he is in Indy...

Boston has probably the most dangerous trio in the league yes but with a bench hardly worth calling 'average'.. In order to go really, really deep into the Playoffs and be a championship contender, you need a bench.. Detroit and Miami are perfect examples in past years. Because of the Celt's sheer talent of their starting lineup, they will do exceptionally well with going deep in the East and making it to the East finals (Possibly!) but they won't do as well as they hope so and what their expectations deem as. I do not see them coming out of the East, nor even standing a chance against the many West's powerhouses.. Teams like the Spurs, Mavs and Suns will rip them apart when going the distance..

But Boston is strengthening their bench as the days go on, they just signed Pollard, House and even trying to get one of the top 50 greatest players in NBA history to come out of retirement, Reggie Miller.. but he's obviously not gonna be playing that much and won't be nearly as effective even just a few years ago in his last years with the Pacers. But he'll provide a bit of spark still..

Do you not understand what a hypothetical situation is? I didn't say this WOULD happen, I'm saying that if O'Neal opted out (Is he a FA?) and went to the Nets NOT taking in a max contract (Just wants to play for a contender so he can get a ring), that's the situation I was speaking of. Something like Malone did with the Lakers just because that was his final year of play and wanted a ring, while O'Neal still has a good number of years ahead of him.. I know exactly how it works, I was just saying how DANGEROUS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN if this came to pass. Obviously it won't and I know that...

But Boston is strengthening their bench as the days go on, they just signed Pollard, House and even trying to get one of the top 50 greatest players in NBA history to come out of retirement, Reggie Miller.. but he's obviously not gonna be playing that much and won't be nearly as effective even just a few years ago in his last years with the Pacers. But he'll provide a bit of spark still..

LA would have to give away some prospects as well for him to come if they wanted him, but I think Jermaine is gonna stay right where he is in Indy...

Boston has probably the most dangerous trio in the league yes but with a bench hardly worth calling 'average'.. In order to go really, really deep into the Playoffs and be a championship contender, you need a bench.. Detroit and Miami are perfect examples in past years. Because of the Celt's sheer talent of their starting lineup, they will do exceptionally well with going deep in the East and making it to the East finals (Possibly!) but they won't do as well as they hope so and what their expectations deem as. I do not see them coming out of the East, nor even standing a chance against the many West's powerhouses.. Teams like the Spurs, Mavs and Suns will rip them apart when going the distance..

But Boston is strengthening their bench as the days go on, they just signed Pollard, House and even trying to get one of the top 50 greatest players in NBA history to come out of retirement, Reggie Miller.. but he's obviously not gonna be playing that much and won't be nearly as effective even just a few years ago in his last years with the Pacers. But he'll provide a bit of spark still..

This is what i'm talking about. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, and you're spouting nonsense. Not only is he NOT a free agent, but he's making the league max for the next three years. You're displaying absolutely no knowledge of the cba. He cannot simply opt out of his contract, this isn't how things like this work. The Pacers own his rights, and will own his rights until his contract ends or they receive fair compensation for their player. Karl Malone WAS a free agent when he signed for the lakers, he was also in his late thirties chasing a ring. Just don't talk in these threads if all you know about basketball is how awesome your signed chris bosh jersey looks.

I repeat.

JERMAINE IS NOT A FREE AGENT, HE WILL NOT BE FOR THREE YEARS.  Not only that but he makes the seventh most in the league (19 million) and the only team in the nba that could take him on without moving another max contract is Charlotte, and that will never happen in a million years.

YES the nets MIGHT get him with a jefferson Kristic package (Which seams exceedingly weaksauce next to a package of Bynum/Odom/pick that the lakers could offer) but they certainly won't be trotting out the aformentioned lineup.

Mike James? Elden Campbell? The only guy on the Pistons bench that year you could consider even remotely better than what boston has was Corliss Williamson.

Miami had a DECENT bench, but kapono was unproven, Walker usually started, White Chocolate was (and is) terrible, and the last time james posey gave a shit he got fucked.

This is what i'm talking about. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, and you're spouting nonsense. Not only is he NOT a free agent, but he's making the league max for the next three years. You're displaying absolutely no knowledge of the cba. He cannot simply opt out of his contract, this isn't how things like this work. The Pacers own his rights, and will own his rights until his contract ends or they receive fair compensation for their player. Karl Malone WAS a free agent when he signed for the lakers, he was also in his late thirties chasing a ring. Just don't talk in these threads if all you know about basketball is how awesome your signed chris bosh jersey looks.

I repeat.

JERMAINE IS NOT A FREE AGENT, HE WILL NOT BE FOR THREE YEARS.  Not only that but he makes the seventh most in the league (19 million) and the only team in the nba that could take him on without moving another max contract is Charlotte, and that will never happen in a million years.

YES the nets MIGHT get him with a jefferson Kristic package (Which seams exceedingly weaksauce next to a package of Bynum/Odom/pick that the lakers could offer) but they certainly won't be trotting out the aformentioned lineup.

Yes I do know what I'm talking about, but you do not understand what I'm saying because your fucking ego is off the charts champ... First off, I didn't know if O'Neal was a restricted free agent or not a free agent at all, which is WHY I put it in brackets after I stated that sentence... If he's not, then OBVIOUSLY there's not much that he can do because he's obligated to the Pacers!

Do you not have any sort of literacy skills? Look at my paragraph clearly outlining the DIFFERENCES OF Malone's situation and O'neal's, which pretty much AGREES with what you're saying but your failure to read was your downfall - You totally missed my point. Again I said it was a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, its sometimes FUNNY to think of situations like this which will NEVER HAPPEN. (Such as Kobe being mad at LA's direction and wanted to goto the Bulls. Then you think of what the Bulls would send in return).. You clearly can't tell the difference between a fucking 'I wish!' post and what is actually reality.

I do know what I'm talking about, its just your failure to read which makes you put words into my mouth..

P.S. I like the Suns better than the Raps btw, but I still like the direction of the Raps under Colangelo.

As I said, the Celts are focusing on improving their bench and they've added some notable free agents and proven vets of the league, which is what they have to focus on. Not sure your point at all! (And yes, I still don't think they'll win the East. And if they end up doing so, then they will get crushed in the NBA Finals.. The reason they made these moves is because they want to be a contender RIGHT NOW, and anything short of winning the NBA championship this season to the next 2 MAYBE 3 seasons would be a sheer disappointment on their part).

Yes I do know what I'm talking about, but you do not understand what I'm saying because your fucking ego is off the charts champ... First off, I didn't know if O'Neal was a restricted free agent or not a free agent at all, which is WHY I put it in brackets after I stated that sentence... If he's not, then OBVIOUSLY there's not much that he can do because he's obligated to the Pacers!

Do you not have any sort of literacy skills? Look at my paragraph clearly outlining the DIFFERENCES OF Malone's situation and O'neal's, which pretty much AGREES with what you're saying but your failure to read was your downfall - You totally missed my point. Again I said it was a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, its sometimes FUNNY to think of situations like this which will NEVER HAPPEN. (Such as Kobe being mad at LA's direction and wanted to goto the Bulls. Then you think of what the Bulls would send in return).. You clearly can't tell the difference between a fucking 'I wish!' post and what is actually reality.

I do know what I'm talking about, its just your failure to read which makes you put words into my mouth..

P.S. I like the Suns better than the Raps btw, but I still like the direction of the Raps under Colangelo.

As I said, the Celts are focusing on improving their bench and they've added some notable free agents and proven vets of the league, which is what they have to focus on. Not sure your point at all! (And yes, I still don't think they'll win the East. And if they end up doing so, then they will get crushed in the NBA Finals.. The reason they made these moves is because they want to be a contender RIGHT NOW, and anything short of winning the NBA championship this season to the next 2 MAYBE 3 seasons would be a sheer disappointment on their part).

No, what you said about malone did not agree with me. You were comparing how the completely HYPOTHETICAL IDIOTIC situation was like malone, and i refuted that by showing you how they have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.

Sure it's fun to imagine fairy tale situations but your previous statement

Jermaine O'Neal will most likely go to LA but Vince has stated in a public release to bring O'Neal over to New Jersey.

If they accomplish this, the Nets will have the most dangerous starting 5 in the league, but still a bench hardly worth calling 'average'.

Vince, Jefferson, Kidd, Kristic, O'Neal... damn

is not at all the same as someone looking at a situation that is not likely to happen. You are implying that something that is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE could quite possibly happen.

Go away.

CFL rules are definitely more challenging, it puts a lot more pressure on the offense to make efficient yardage gains..

Yeah Ti-Cats suck (like always!) but they have a really good prospect in Jesse Lumsden, I actually played against him on several occasions in the past and worked with his dad Neil back when I played Football.. He's probably the only bright spot for the Cats this season..

No, what you said about malone did not agree with me. You were comparing how the completely HYPOTHETICAL IDIOTIC situation was like malone, and i refuted that by showing you how they have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.

Uh.. no?

Something like Malone did with the Lakers just because that was his final year of play and wanted a ring' date=' [b']while O'Neal still has a good number of years ahead of him[/b]

I implied here that his situation is DIFFERENT, maybe I should've expanded on it for thick skulls like you but there, that's what I meant (Their situations are different, which didn't take into account the free agent situations).. I could care less if its an 'idiotic hypothetical situation', there are a lot more idiotic hypothetical situations thrown out there so there you go!

Sure it's fun to imagine fairy tale situations but your previous statement
is not at all the same as someone looking at a situation that is not likely to happen. You are implying that something that is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE could quite possibly happen.

Go away.

Then you are a fool for not understanding the PURPOSE behind that post. The "hey anything could happen!" thing, I simply said "Wouldn't it be cool if that happened and they kept all of their core players intact?".

Sure its not fucking realistic but that WASN'T THE FUCKING POINT, and when you looked at it from a SERIOUS PERSPECTIVE, well then that explains your idiotic outrage.

Man... learn to keep your fucking ego in check. If you don't like certain things posted, then simply ignore it! If you don't like looking at jokes or hypothetical fantasies of situtations, then ignore it! I don't know how to fucking explain it to you other than I wasn't being serious when I posted that...

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I love watching ice hockey and football (Birmingham City fan... I'll get you for this, Chelsea! ​), and I did like playing football.

Uh.. no?

I implied here that his situation is DIFFERENT, maybe I should've expanded on it for thick skulls like you but there, that's what I meant (Their situations are different, which didn't take into account the free agent situations).. I could care less if its an 'idiotic hypothetical situation', there are a lot more idiotic hypothetical situations thrown out there so there you go!

Then you are a fool for not understanding the PURPOSE behind that post. The "hey anything could happen!" thing, I simply said "Wouldn't it be cool if that happened and they kept all of their core players intact?".

Sure its not fucking realistic but that WASN'T THE FUCKING POINT, and when you looked at it from a SERIOUS PERSPECTIVE, well then that explains your idiotic outrage.

Man... learn to keep your fucking ego in check. If you don't like certain things posted, then simply ignore it! If you don't like looking at jokes or hypothetical fantasies of situtations, then ignore it! I don't know how to fucking explain it to you other than I wasn't being serious when I posted that...

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No you didn't. Your exact words were

Jermaine O'Neal will most likely go to LA but Vince has stated in a public release to bring O'Neal over to New Jersey.

If they accomplish this, the Nets will have the most dangerous starting 5 in the league, but still a bench hardly worth calling 'average'.

Vince, Jefferson, Kidd, Kristic, O'Neal... damn

You didn't understand the cba, and are trying to cover your tracks by saying that you were just discussing a FANTASY scenario that can never ever happen rather than just admitting you don't know anything about the salary cap, CBA, or the nba in general.

Semantics semantics, if you'd like to add something meaningful to the thread then go ahead and do so otherwise why are you even posting here.

You didn't understand the cba, and are trying to cover your tracks by saying that you were just discussing a FANTASY scenario that can never ever happen rather than just admitting you don't know anything about the salary cap, CBA, or the nba in general.

Semantics semantics, if you'd like to add something meaningful to the thread then go ahead and do so otherwise why are you even posting here.

Man... 

If you still think that I was being serious, then that's your own problem because I really wasn't.. Believe what you want to believe, but that ain't the truth, sorry buddy. Whatever makes you happy though, I say to hell with truth hood and onward with personal beliefs!  :emo: This is so fucking childish and such a petty issue, I see I'm just wasting my time trying to get through to you... I'm not gonna admit to something that I know is not true.. So fuck this discussion and move onto something else.

Granted I'm probably not ON TOP of this shit as much as you are (After all for me anyway, play>watch), I still know my stuff, especially when it comes to the NBA, NFL and MMA fighting leagues (UFC and 'used to be PRIDE' when it was on)
Anyway agreed (For once!) that we talk about something serious..

So what order does everyone think the conferences will finish up like, who will come out of their respective conferences, who will win the whole thing and why? I'll post up a little bit more about this later on..

The Celtics are the clear favorites in the Atlantic, I don't even think that is up for debate. Miami is the only legit team in the southeast, and it looks like the only eastern division that will be a fight is the central between Motown and Lebron's boys (Chicago is vastly overrated).

Out west things are a bit more interesting. The Northwest is Utah's to lose, the young guns in the pacific northwest are still just that, young guns and Denver is a mess. The Southwest will be a Spurs/Dallas battle all year long but I expect Dallas to win the regular season war once again while the Spurs rest up for a playoff run.

The pacific is pretty strong top to bottom, you have the Lakers who could pair J O'neill with the rapist, but the rest of the team is beyond questionable. Phoenix will win tons of games, but do they have the horses inside for the playoffs? Golden State looks very good for years to come and they are my sleeper team to tak the pacific.

eric gagne is my favorite baseballgameplayer

Yeah. I seriously doubt PRIDE will return, Dana is having way too much fun bolstering the ranks of the UFC with the PRIDE stars. Hayato Sakurai is in UFC now, supposedily as well . . . yeah.

Could always create a PRIDE FC appreciation thread with a YouTube/DailyMotion links, eh?

Just to fix a few points of Noz's, Belfort/Baroni/Kang/Aleksander are not under contract by Zuffa. Baroni has already fought elsewhere, Belfort blew his shit up bad when he went and fought in Cage Rage while suspended by NSAC for steroids, Kang is a free agent and leaning towards K-1, and Aleksander simply has no home right now.

I personally see no need for Pride anymore. Let K-1 dominate the Japan market with its second and third tier fighters (Not including KID, G.C and a few others including the recently signed Overeem). They'd only do it wrong, and they'd be wasting their time and money trying to figure out how to properly market it as a Zuffa product while still maintaining that DSE feel.

Last week, I saw a PRIDE match on TV between a guy who looked like Haggar and some guy with a really big head.  They came out of their corners and just started punching each other in the head nonstop for a couple minutes.  It was pretty awesome.
Whenever I see UFC on TV, it looks like two guys are rolling around on the ground hugging each other.  It's a little too homoerotic for me.

Last week, I saw a PRIDE match on TV between a guy who looked like Haggar and some guy with a really big head.  They came out of their corners and just started punching each other in the head nonstop for a couple minutes.  It was pretty awesome.
Whenever I see UFC on TV, it looks like two guys are rolling around on the ground hugging each other.  It's a little too homoerotic for me.

Frye vs Takayama

To copy directly from my own records:

Workout Daily Schedule Week 4:
   - Curling: 70 reps daily both arms
   - Push-ups: 15 reps tricep/pectoral each daily
   - Crunches: 50 reps daily minimum (No plate)
   - Shrugs: 30 reps daily each arm
   - Shoulder Fly: 25 daily each arm
   - Bent-Over Row: 25 reps daily each
      - All exercises using 15 lb dumbbell
      - Do push-ups/crunches/shrugs when
        possible throughout day

So far progress is actually pretty great. I am starting to have arms that aren't toothpicks and my upper body is starting to develop tremendously.

All and all things go well! I could still use a good back exercise though, truth be told. Bent-over rolls are alright, but I don't really have a proper way to do them.