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it's nearly impossible for her to overtake Obama in pledged delegates. tbh it's relatively impossible for her to win the nomination short of some massive superdelegate switch.

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In what may be bad news for Clinton, Democrats across all four states overwhelmingly say they want super delegates to vote based on which candidate finishes ahead in the pledged delegate count at the end of the primary season.

Majorities of Democrats in Texas (62 percent), Ohio (61 percent), Rhode Island (57 percent) and Vermont (66 percent) all said the super delegates should cast their vote for the primary winner, not for who they think can best win in November.

Why is this bad news for Clinton? As CNN's John King has made clear on his interactive delegate map, it is nearly impossible for Clinton to catch up to Obama's pledged delegate count. She would have to win the rest of the states convincingly to do so, given that the party allots delegates proportionally. Barring large blowouts in the remaining contests, its likely Clinton will finish behind Obama in pledged delegates.
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jesus christ.

Texas 23%:

Obama 49 -- 711,548
Clinton 49 -- 710,286

Ohio 50%:

Clinton 57
Obama 41

Obama is going to lose Ohio, however he should close the gap once the larger cities start coming in

edit: yep, cnn calls ohio for clinton
Last Edit: March 05, 2008, 03:56:21 am by Ryan
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if obama loses texas too I think I'm going to drink myself silly
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why? honestly the clinton spin on this is just unbelievable. she'll still be behind about the same number in delegates.

We've always been at war with Eastasia.
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Ahggh DAMNIT, why must this race continue. I mean Obama still has over 100 more pledged delegates, but Hillary is just...fuck.
This shit is gonna drag out until June.
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why? honestly the clinton spin on this is just unbelievable. she'll still be behind about the same number in delegates.

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

because she will have a reason to continue and I don't really want them to drag this out to the convention.  this gives mccain a huge advantage
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because she will have a reason to continue and I don't really want them to drag this out to the convention.  this gives mccain a huge advantage

well, yeah. she's just pulling a huckabee and hoping that obama will have a "Dean-scream" moment or some huge news will come out of the Rezko trial pretty much.

i had a lot of respect for Hillary before the election began. since then shes proven that she's no different than the Karl Roves and the rest of the Bush lot.
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well, no.  gleaning the figures leads the average voter to believe that unlike huckabee, sen. clinton is still a serious contender.  this concerns me.

then again, looking at county maps, obama's still taking big cities by double-digit margins
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Some are saying that the Obama campaign took over the caucuses of Texas, which carries about 60 delegates. Apparently the people who ran the caucuses basically said "WHO WANTS TO RUN THIS?" because they had no idea on how big the turnout was, so most of the caucuses are now ran by Obama supporters.
We'll see though, it's still in speculation.

Edit: Obama has 56% in the caucuses. Hillary with 44%.
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i had a lot of respect for Hillary before the election began. since then shes proven that she's no different than the Karl Roves and the rest of the Bush lot.

I'm sorry, I really do not understand what you are trying to say, please elaborate. Are you upset because Clinton isn't rolling over for Obama and is actually trying to win the nomination?
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NBC says Clinton won the Texas primaries :(
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I'm sorry, I really do not understand what you are trying to say, please elaborate. Are you upset because Clinton isn't rolling over for Obama and is actually trying to win the nomination?

I believe he is referring to her complete collapse of substance lately. Such as:

IF I WAS PRESIDENT I WOULD CALL A TRADE TIME-OUT
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I'm sorry, I really do not understand what you are trying to say, please elaborate. Are you upset because Clinton isn't rolling over for Obama and is actually trying to win the nomination?


or maybe shit like what her husband said after south carolina? (even jesse jackson won here!) or her 3 a.m ad? (fearmongering) or her saying john mccain is a better candidate than a member of her own party? (fucking suicidal for her party)

or.. her having almost no chance to overtake him delegate-wise yet still fighting on out of sheer selfishness?
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NBC says Clinton won the Texas primaries :(

Yup. Obama should still walk away with more delegates however. Basically, each senator has won an equal number of delegates tonight, leaving the difference in delegates the same as it was before today.
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or maybe shit like what her husband said after south carolina? (even jesse jackson won here!)

Hate to break the news to you but Hillary and Bill are not actually the same person. I know we all think her to be a Malicious Harpy Puppetmaster, but the truth is she does not control everything her husband thinks.

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or her 3 a.m ad? (fearmongering)

I blame Mondale.

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or her saying john mccain is a better candidate than a member of her own party? (fucking suicidal her party)

Yeah, damn her and admitting that maybe the Republican party isn't so awful! I mean, I would respect someone a little bit more if they said "Hey, just because I'm a Democrat, it doesn't mean I think Democrats have all the answers, and maybe you guys shouldn't vote for someone just because they're a Democrat, you should actually pay attention to the issues*." I use the term "would" because we're talking about politicians and I have zero respect for politicians and nothing they say or do is going to make me think any better of them. Especially not during a campaign.

*Ideally, this would be the case, but as we've mentioned, what politicians SAY and their PLATFORMS mean absolutely nothing.

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or.. her having almost no chance to overtake him delegate-wise yet still fighting on out of sheer selfishness?

She still has a chance, the race is still pretty damn close, I see no reason why she, or anyone in her shoes, would give up right now.
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Im just too upset. Clinton wins Texas, and I just saw a net neutrality thing...man, this election is an emotional roller coaster. Honestly, if she doesn't end up sweeping all of the states from here on out, How could she friggin win?

Even if the superdelegates all pile up and elect her, that would piss so many people off to overturn the will of the people.

Maybe that is what nader is counting on.
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Hate to break the news to you but Hillary and Bill are not actually the same person.

I think it's pretty shitty how some Hillary supporters are voting for her because "Bill was a great president so she will be too" but when negative shit is brought up associating her with Bill, they denounce it and go "but she isn't Bill." Not saying a majority of Hillary supporters do it, but a few kids I've talked to on campus do this and I find it ridiculous. You can't have it both ways.

Even if the superdelegates all pile up and elect her, that would piss so many people off to overturn the will of the people.

Maybe that is what nader is counting on.

This would be the shittiest thing that could possibly happen for the democratic party. If Obama wins in delegates and she gets nominated because of superdelegates, the democratic party would split. You'd have a bunch of people voting for McCain in the general election and we'd end up destroying the unity of the democratic party.
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well not only would it split the democratic party, but it would fuck the nominating system forever. however, that could be a good thing. maybe it is time for a change in the way they do things.

also: ohio sucks
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Hate to break the news to you but Hillary and Bill are not actually the same person. I know we all think her to be a Malicious Harpy Puppetmaster, but the truth is she does not control everything her husband thinks.

Yeah, damn her and admitting that maybe the Republican party isn't so awful! I mean, I would respect someone a little bit more if they said "Hey, just because I'm a Democrat, it doesn't mean I think Democrats have all the answers, and maybe you guys shouldn't vote for someone just because they're a Democrat, you should actually pay attention to the issues*." I use the term "would" because we're talking about politicians and I have zero respect for politicians and nothing they say or do is going to make me think any better of them. Especially not during a campaign.

*Ideally, this would be the case, but as we've mentioned, what politicians SAY and their PLATFORMS mean absolutely nothing.

She still has a chance, the race is still pretty damn close, I see no reason why she, or anyone in her shoes, would give up right now.

Hillary and Bill aren't the same person? Well damn, you'd think she was basing her entire "experience" claim on her being.. his wife during his presidency or something.

And uh, as a DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, you don't go saying that the other potential DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT is not as qualified to be president compared to the REPUBLICAN nominee for president. Unless of course you're unbelievably desperate and selfish and will stop at nothing to get the nomination, even if it means absolute suicide for you and your party.

edit: and christ go watch the news or something. it's been stated about 6,000 times that she has to win over 60% of the delegates in every state yet to come to even TIE obama in pledged delegates. so no, she does not have a chance at winning this nomination other than some political implosion by the Obama campaign
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Ohio indeeds sucks. If Obama wins I'll be very, very happy.
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