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Also I'd like to add that it's one thing to want an apology, it's another to threaten to boycott that channel's debates and rabidly keep the press away from your daughter (who has proven to be capable of handling them herself, and is the main person involved in the comment) after you've already had the person responsible suspended and who will probably end up being fired, and he's already given you the apology.

THAT is overreacting.
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Also I'd like to add that it's one thing to want an apology, it's another to threaten to boycott that channel's debates and rabidly keep the press away from your daughter (who has proven to be capable of handling them herself, and is the main person involved in the comment) after you've already had the person responsible suspended and who will probably end up being fired, and he's already given you the apology.

THAT is overreacting.

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but someone on MSNBC said it seemed like Hilary was pimping her daughter around because her daughter was calling up every important person she can to talk about how great her mom is.  Hilary pretty much demanded an apology and kept talking about how offensive it is.  Also she took it LITERALLY (like, she thought they were saying she prostituted her daughter).

yeah these aren't the same at all. you said nothing about threatening to boycott the channel or anything like that.

they are not saying the same thing as whormongering at all

this is the definition he meant (straight from websters dictionary)

When your daughter calls every member of The View as well as important political figures to tell them how great you are, it is not out of place to think that you are probably putting her up to it.  If he had said "using" instead of "pimping", there wouldn't have been a problem, so yeah, he fucked up there, but I don't see ANY way that you can say he was trying to use it to mean the other meaning of pimping at all.  There is NO reason to think he meant that definition, and I don't see how so many people think he did unless they're unaware it can be used the other way.

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nigger

3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

Senator Clinton, how will you deal with society's niggers?

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHAT DO YOU MEAN IMPLICATIONS.

the secondary definition directly derives from the first. you do not use reinterpretated slang to make political points. Yoko Ono made a song called "Women are the Nigger of the World", but you won't see people using that terminology outside of that song or among certain groups. people like you and I can call what she did pimping, we have no social responsibility. a media figure does have a responsibility not to refer to presidential candidates with offensive slang, regardless of how accurate it is. it's incredibly shady and yes it even is PIMPING HER DAUGHTER OUT, but being offended at being told that instead of "It seems to me Senator Clinton is using her daughter's connections to garner votes, which is morally ambiguous behavior at best" is not some crazy overreaction.

it's highly offensive to say anyone is pimping someone else out in the negative connotation, which is why I use it to describe people on these forums. it's a really cruel thing to say! being angry at that isn't some overreaction.

Velfarre pretty much summed it up.


crushed by a CaRRot CuSine, the word has many references to what a PIMP does, it was not a reference to a pimps whoremongering.

This is like a sport announcer commenting on a running back and saying "Whoa, he was like an animal in todays game." and him calling up and saying "I want an apology for you calling me a wild savage beast."

except a sportscaster is expected to talk in slang, animal has nowhere near the connotation pimp does, and the various other reasons!
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*facepalm*

You are the type of person who forgets what he is saying and just doesn't want to be "wrong" because their is no way (unless you don't like to read) you missed the part where I said that it was stupid to say something like that as a political announcer(your setting yourself up for a trap). We weren't debating that at all, you said he was calling her a "whoremonger"(referencing her to that aspect of a pimp) which would mean he is saying she is selling her daughter for sex/sexual deeds and calling her daugher a whore.

You are right, I am wrong. Yes he was calling her a whoremonger, infact? Why did he say pimping? he should have been more direct about it and saved us some time.
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I actually agree with Steel. The comment about Chelsea Clinton was pretty unprofessional.
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*facepalm*

You are the type of person who forgets what he is saying and just doesn't want to be "wrong" because their is no way (unless you don't like to read) you missed the part where I said that it was stupid to say something like that as a political announcer(your setting yourself up for a trap). We weren't debating that at all, you said he was calling her a "whoremonger"(referencing her to that aspect of a pimp) which would mean he is saying she is selling her daughter for sex/sexual deeds and calling her daugher a whore.

You are right, I am wrong. Yes he was calling her a whoremonger, infact? Why did he say pimping? he should have been more direct about it and saved us some time.

goddammit.

PIMP MEANS WHOREMONGER.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT COLLOQUIAL MEANING IT HAS AQUIRED, IT MEANS WHOREMONGER.

TO CALL A CANDIDATE'S ACTIONS PIMPING IS HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE IN A MEDIA SETTING AND GETTING ANGRY ABOUT IT AND DEMANDING AN APOLOGY ARE COMPLETELY FUCKING LOGICAL.
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I think you're both right. It's obviously an incredibly unprofessional term, and slang like that doesn't belong in journalism. But at the same time I think Hillary probably is exploiting the incident a little. Like Velfarre said, the guy responsible has already issued an apology and been suspended, so it's kind of unreasonable for Hillary to keep boycotting the channel.
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Well since Impeal posted but said nothing about the aggression, I will. Stop escalating this argument. I agree with one side of this argument but I won't say who because it doesn't matter, it is getting out of hand. The points have been made that are relevant to the presidential primary, which is HEY what this topic is about so lets drop it.
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Well since Impeal posted but said nothing about the aggression, I will. Stop escalating this argument. I agree with one side of this argument but I won't say who because it doesn't matter, it is getting out of hand. The points have been made that are relevant to the presidential primary, which is HEY what this topic is about so lets drop it.
I figured the aggression would stop naturally when they realized there was an obvious middle ground.
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Just drop it, bro.
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Maybe you guys don't understand context ok!

If my friend said to me "Hey looks like hillary is pimping out chelsea", I would assume he was using it in a joking manner and not get offended personally, however it is extremely different when a person says this comment on television, where obviously Hillary (and people who would be personally offended by the word like... I don't know... women?) would hear it.

Would you tell a woman that it seemed like she was pimping out her daughter? Of course not, it's disgusting and sexist.

but keep on arguing that words don't mean anything guys ok!!!
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Why the fuck did The Truth get a warning over this? He made a comment that makes perfect sense. Is he supposed to not talk about this because a couple of moderators want to avoid conflict and prefer shallow harmony over substantial discussions? There's a difference between making sure a discussion stays calm (which can be done WITHOUT ENDING THE DISCUSSION) and making a discussion prudish. If you want people to calm down and respectfully talk about a topic, then take some responsibility and put in some effort instead of just mindlessly clamping down. This is the kind of poor and easy moderation that I've always tried to avoid.

THAT SAID, I'd like to just point out that politics is a dirty game. Yes, it's true that the word "pimp" has more than one meaning, and it's true that its impact may have been reduced due to it being used so freely in youth culture, but it still has a very negative connotation to most people. This is because it is inherently a very offensive word. When a political commentator uses it, of course he meant to offend someone with it.

It's very easy to claim that "he only had the least offensive dictionary definition in mind when he used it", but that's, of course, incredibly naive. It's something to just keep in mind: that "having had a different definition of the term in mind" is not an excuse, ever.
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You are the type of person who forgets what he is saying and just doesn't want to be "wrong" because their is no way (unless you don't like to read)
This is really, really unfair of you, Xeno. Maybe Steel just disagrees with you, as I do? There's no need to judge him like that.
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Rockman I always wanted to ask you.

Why are you 'Rockman.'

also I heard on the radio today that Huckabee officially conceded, but I can't find it online.

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/14/665649.aspx

Obama is airing a response to the Clinton ad accusing him of dodging debates
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Yeah, I'd go along with that. =P
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I'd be Barack Obama to his centrist Hillary Clinton, in that we would have the same policies but I have dark skin and also appeal to the young vote, and will ride a bandwagon to success.

the superdelegates are mods and admins who don't want to see me get in power though and have committed their vote to omeg.
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Yeah, and you could finally have your formal debates too. And I have my loving husband ASE on my side.
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