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Ratt

#161 January 25, 2008, 11:37:34 pm

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Quote from: SEimagery on January 25, 2008, 05:50:37 am

SINCE WHEN DID VIDEO GAMES BECOME SUCH FUCKIN SERIOUS BUSINESS?

Since the Game industry became as big/bigger than the movie industry.

In all seriousness, there are some opinions that you just can't change. Some like their Playstation, some their Xbox, some their Wii. Those who are hellbent on the opinionthat their system is more supiror won't change their mind. You might as well go up to a religious dude and tell them their is no God or a not religious person and tell them there is a God. This argument/wannabe debate is nothing more than people trying to make some sort of reasoning without reasoning.

I look at the Xbox titles and I don't see anything that suits me, same with the Playstation titles. I look at the titles for NDS and Wii and I see games I would play.

Is the Wii better than the others? I don't know, probably not. I've seen playstation and it has some insane capabilities. I've seen Xbox and there are a load of playable titles. But I'm just not interested. Some people don't like the happy-kiddie graphics and gameplay that is associated with Nintendo and I can see why. We each see games, systems and capabilities differently.

You can debate on slight information all you want, but nothing is going tip the scales either way for either side. This argument is just for arguments sake. So be it.

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#162 January 26, 2008, 12:20:04 am

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I got the last Wii available at one of my local game stores (there's 3 within 3 miles of my house, and they couldn't be much closer to each other if they were in the same building... 2 of them are anyway :P) when my 360's DVD drive and board fried themselves (again), which obviously let to some people hating me, which is fun

After the two and a half weeks it took Microsoft to fix my console (why did you break at Christmas damnit!), I haven't turned it on since, and I may sell it as I know of one computer store (cex.com, which has a place in Leeds city center) which is buying pre-owned units with no games for £180 and selling them for £240...
Combining that with Zelda, Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Marvel: UA, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, a 4Gamers charging stand (matches the Wii with blue lights) and possibly a 1GiB SD Micro card + adapter and it's almost enough for a Mac Mini, and definitely enough for a better PC considering that I can get PC stuff at stock prices :/

I'm not going to say the Wii is awful, but I have to say that the spark that Nintendo's earlier consoles had has faded somewhat, but things haven't been going well between me and Nintendo since the N64 really.
The N64 had obvious failings, but it also had some classic titles such as Goldeneye and OoT (I'm not a big Zelda fan and I hate 007, so those two were obviously made of win).
The Gamecube didn't have to be a bad system, but Nintendo's "we can't mass produce HAL, so we'll do our own thing and pretend we're not competing" attitude did damage things.
I mean, yes, F-Zero GX and Smash Bros. Melee were great, Mario Sunshine was decent and the controller was the best I'd used up until the 360, but it just didn't have as many good games available.
The current generation has drawn me to side with a company I don't usually like, despite their console failing on me to the point where it needed repairing twice.
Microsoft fucked up with the hardware issues, but at least they put their hands up and admitted it was their fault, extending the warranty and refunding any repair costs which would have been covered.
At least Microsoft didn't tell Europe to go fuck themselves because America and Japan are at the center of the universe, and at least they have some decent games out that aren't stupidly easy.

Most of the Wii titles I've played use the motion sensor as a gimmick, rather than as a real alternative to mashing buttons, and compared to the other two consoles' online capabilities, the Wii online features may as well not exist.

I guess that this means I somewhat agree with Hundley, meaning none of this will matter as this is the last night that any human will be alive as I'm sure that's a sign of the apocalypse or something.

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#163 January 26, 2008, 12:26:33 am

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Quote from: dangerousned on January 25, 2008, 11:10:52 pm

ffff my point was that no one does buy a game or a game system unless they CAN afford it, and that it's kind of ridiculous to say WELL I COULD BUY IT ERGO ITS LEGIT.

Final Smashes are awesome. I hear Captain Falcon grows a third knee when he does his.

3 things.

1. I never said buying a console for one system is a good idea, nor is it legit. I merely pointed out that it's why I bought it and then you jumped at me for doing so, calling me stupid.

2. You're really stretching it. I'm a fan of Smash Bros. So what? Does that make me a Nintendo fanboy? We're discussing Nintendo here, not one particular title they produced. You attempting to point out that I'm a fan of smash (which I'll gladly admit to) does not further your argument that I'm a Nintendo fanboy (just like when you said "a good game needs a story like a good movie does" didn't help your argument before).

Quote from: dangerousned on January 25, 2008, 11:10:52 pm

you seem to think that being a fan and being a fanboy are somehow the same thing or that I'm implying they are.

That's exactly what you just implied by quoting my sig.

3. I ignored the fact that he has over 40,000 posts because it has no relevance to the argument. He posts on a forum. Yay! That makes him less credible? You post here more than the average person does per day (and I'm sure with all of your accounts, you easily have more posts than 95% of GW does). It doesn't ruin your credibility. If anything, it enhances it because you know more people here, you know the shit that's posted, and because you take an active role in topics. He may be a fanboy, but fanboys know more than most other people do even if their views are somewhat biased. Either way, what does Kezay have to do with anything here? I'm defending myself, not him.

And one last point before I completely ditch this topic. I never said the Wii is better than any other console. That wasn't my point at all. It is a much better system than people give it credit for, especially those who've played one or two games (one of them probably being wii sports) and then based their judgements off of that, using "waggle" every other word to fit in with the rest of the "Wii sucks but I haven't even really played it" crowd.

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#164 January 26, 2008, 12:26:52 am

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Quote from: Kaworu on January 25, 2008, 08:00:21 pm

Marketing is not the wii. There is a difference between a product and how it is marketed. You can't call the Wii (as an entity) innovative because it was marketed differently.

That was more in response to your statement that market change isn't innovation. Granted, simply changing markets isn't an innovation, but that isn't exactly what Nintendo did seeing as they're still residing in the same market; they adopted a change in their marketing strategy not unlike the examples mentioned before. I wasn't arguing that its marketing possibly being considered innovative means that the product itself is innovative.

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Let's single in on the FPS comment since I love FPS games. The wii is point at things with the remote, and move with the nunchuck. Essentially point at things with the G-con and move with the buttoms on the back of the G-con. Essentially point at things with a mouse and move with wasd. The notion of using the wii to slash in fp games is also nothing new. Many arcade games use that notion, many flash games (and annoying flash adds) A. make this topic go way off course and B. take up too much time of
are built around swinging the mouse in a slashing style.
The remote is prettymuch too basic to do anything new (again I need to reference that guy who does crazy things with his wii as proof of what the wii could have been) and when it comes down to it the notion of MOVEMENT has already been done by arcade games, and to the extent used by most wii games by a humble PC mouse.

The thing is however, you could apply that to pretty much anything, Doom on SNES, the FPS games on the N64 and PS1 and ultimately what came in the generation after that. However, as more options for input were incorporated into these controllers the viability of FPS games on home consoles increased with that and that became a big thing with Wii when its FPS games started coming out. No doubt, the mouse and keyboard will say the primary standard with PC gaming and be the most viable option, but strides made in the console industry that PCs have been working with for years on the whole were marked as big developments within that market.

By the by, I'm not even talking much on the melee attacks side of things as there really aren't enough games that do that in FPS titles on Wii in particular and those that do, don't exactly do them particularly well. Quite a few of the innovative steps taken in the industry weren't exactly of entirely new ideas but of existing ideas that were represented in a more intuitive, sensible way. Innovation isn't exactly invention and there hasn't been much innovation in the industry that didn't have some kind of precedent that either didn't fly or fell into obscurity.

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oh I disagree entirely. I also recall you said HEH...YOU'RE INSULTING KEZAY and kind of ignoring the fact that he has 40,000+ posts on a forum that is gw's age, dealing almost exclusively in Nintendo facts (interesting info, the posts I could see were all sales figures). that's more than DS and myself combined. Kezay may act like I'm the crazy one, but you ask anyone who has been around for a year and they will tell you how many times he's posted SALES CHARTS to argue how superior Nintendo is.

Actually, as mentioned before Nsider wasn't the same age as GW. The concept of a Nintendo community through Nintendo has been around before 2000, but the version of Nintendo's Nsider forums I joined didn't open until late in 2003 and weren't all comprised entirely of Nintendo facts and sales information - even though we did discuss such things. Granted, it doesn't exactly help my argument to bump up the years that I was involved with Nintendo's forums, but compared to how much of GW I roamed around during that time (mainly just the RM2k and VG forums) there is definitely something to be said about a community where I spend most of my time in only two areas of the site versus one where I spent quite a bit of time all over the place, at least settling into the boards where I felt most comfortable in. It's far easier to rack up posts on a forum where there is a bit more freedom to discuss things that many on GW would cast aside because you could simply go on the net to find the info or discuss elsewhere. As I noted before, I don't consider that a mark against the community or anyone in it; but I certainly found at least another community where I had free reign to talk a bit more on subjects that didn't exactly fly here, among other things.

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#165 January 26, 2008, 02:15:28 am

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Quote from: Sarhan on January 25, 2008, 06:40:03 pm

Calm down there, champ. We agree that the Wii has a weak list of games compared to other consoles. This is where we're on the same page. The fact that you think it's really bad that I think so has no relevance whatsoever as to whether we agree or not.

i think you use the phrase "ON THE SAME PAGE" too liberally. agreement on one small singular fact amongst many clear disagreements is NOT on the same page. there needs to be greater coincidence of belief before you can accuse someone of holding similar beliefs. and i feel the word ACCUSE is an accurate term here, given how much disgust i feel at the accusation that my beliefs on the matter are even vaguely similar to the overwhelmingly nauseating beliefs you hold on the matter.

this is particularly amplified by the fact that our point of subtle agreement is about the quality of wii games, yet you are buying a wii game for the new SMASH GAME, whereas i find the smash games to be the absolute low-point of the entire nintendo line of products. as far as *I* am concerned, that completely negates any similarities that belief might have otherwise had.

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You must not have retained much if you can't read a post and understand the point it's making.

no, i am fully aware of what you have been saying, but i lack the faculties necessary to relate my belief systems to people such as yourself who posses disgusting, poorly justified belief systems. i honestly have no idea how you have gotten this far in life REQUIRING THIS of people.

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You know millions of people get degrees but still don't know shit about what they're doing? You ever been somewhere where you talked to a manager of some kind and thought to yourself, "wow, this guy is a shitty manager." He has a degree too. Does that make him smart? Ever had bad teachers? They have degrees also. People can just coast, do the assigned work without actually retaining much, and finish with a degree. Happens all the time.

you somehow possess this incredible spiritual wisdom which lets you summarize my entire academic experience by a simple instance of my disagreeing with your overestimating the similarities of our belief system. i mean, shit, you seen to know more about me than all of my professors ever have! you even know more about me than i do apparently!!! i am sold jack and i want you to gaze into your crystal ball and tell me my fortune. i will find many more articles of disagreement with you if it means i can gain insight to my future.

i shall cross your palm with silver, gypsy.

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#166 January 26, 2008, 02:21:54 am

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Quote from: Sarhan on January 25, 2008, 06:40:03 pm

Ever had bad teachers? They have degrees also. People can just coast, do the assigned work without actually retaining much, and finish with a degree. Happens all the time.

Dude have you ever been in college? Because what you are saying is actually the opposite of the truth (unless maybe you are majoring in Communications or something). Getting even a bachelor's degree is actually an enormous amount of work towards the end, especially in programs like English where you have to write enormous amounts of legitimately good material or Music where you have to prove that you have raw technical talent in an instrument (and it takes a lot of practice to be good enough with an instrument to impress a university). This is pretty off topic but you started it!

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#167 January 26, 2008, 02:26:56 am

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You know millions of people get degrees but still don't know shit about what they're doing? You ever been somewhere where you talked to a manager of some kind and thought to yourself, "wow, this guy is a shitty manager." He has a degree too. Does that make him smart? Ever had bad teachers? They have degrees also. People can just coast, do the assigned work without actually retaining much, and finish with a degree. Happens all the time.

wow I missed this insulting piece of shit.

jesus christ what absolute balls you must have.

this isn't a compliment at all fyi you are just all testicular meat.

ps: I summed up the argument in five or six sentences a while back. anyone want to tackle those instead of trying to say GW'S JUST AS BIASED or some other strawmanning piece of shit?

Quote from: maladroithim on January 26, 2008, 02:21:54 am

Dude have you ever been in college? Because what you are saying is actually the opposite of the truth (unless maybe you are majoring in Communications or something). Getting even a bachelor's degree is actually an enormous amount of work towards the end, especially in programs like English where you have to write enormous amounts of legitimately good material or Music where you have to prove that you have raw technical talent in an instrument (and it takes a lot of practice to be good enough with an instrument to impress a university). This is pretty off topic but you started it!

I will continue this derail slightly and say that while humanities degrees seem like less work they are actually a huge pain in the ass.

not that it's even worth it which is why I absolutely need law school to get money but seriously I've done engineering and humanities and they are both equally hard with completely different skill sets.

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#168 January 26, 2008, 04:30:28 am

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Quote from: dangerousned on January 25, 2008, 07:58:29 pm

I have never said anything of the sort. marketing is never art unless you want to be a fuck and talk about movements and Andy Warhol but shut up forever.

ps: the family friendliness of Disney's image nearly drove the company into bankruptcy, until Pixar brought them back from the brink by making jokes that would go over kid's heads but that adults could get and appreciate.

similarly while something like idk Marcus talks about Psychonauts a lot, while that game can be played without appreciating all that subtle mind shit, for someone who isn't a braindead retard/child it's very appreciated.

none of this has anything to do with the point that Nintendo marketing to families is nothing new or innovative thanks for the post EvilDemonCreature.

BUT MARIO EATS A MUSHROOM AND GROWS?????????

Don't you pay attention? Mario stopped growing from mushrooms ever since Mario64 (the 2d games released after 64 don't count). I guess it was too "radical" a concept and wouldn't be received well especially given the gritty detail 3d graphics provide.
And Disney has exactly to do with Nintendo appealing/marketing to families being nothing new or innovative. DISNEY WERE THE ONES TO DO THAT FIRST. Traditionally, when you want to "prove" a concept isn't innovative, you do so by providing an example of the concept being used by someone else beforehand.

Unless you are willing to admit that the biggest reason Nintendo's newest product appeals to families is because the intuitive controls make it easy for anyone new to video games to pick up and enjoy them near-instantly (which I assume is not possible because that would be acknowledging something *gasp* NEW AND INNOVATIVE), then comparing Nintendo to Disney is the most logical thing to do.

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#169 January 26, 2008, 01:44:45 pm

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Unless you are willing to admit that the biggest reason Nintendo's newest product appeals to families is because the intuitive controls make it easy for anyone new to video games to pick up and enjoy them near-instantly (which I assume is not possible because that would be acknowledging something *gasp* NEW AND INNOVATIVE), then comparing Nintendo to Disney is the most logical thing to do.

Arcade games did the same thing as Hundley pointed out. You put in a quarter and INSTANT GRATIFICATION that lasts all of half an hour. You don't have to stick a quarter in a Wii.

EDIT: Holy fuck, I just read that Suda BLASTED Nintendo because, at the time he was directing No More Heroes, he didn't realize the Wii was targeted for "Non Gamers". He solely blames the poor sales of NMH in Japan on Nintendo and has swore to never deal with Ninty again if he doesn't have to.

And this is coming from Japan.

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#170 January 26, 2008, 04:16:33 pm

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Holy fuck, I just read that Suda BLASTED Nintendo because, at the time he was directing No More Heroes, he didn't realize the Wii was targeted for "Non Gamers". He solely blames the poor sales of NMH in Japan on Nintendo and has swore to never deal with Ninty again if he doesn't have to.

doesn't surprise me. producers that have been about "experiences", like Square, Kojima, whoever, tend to dislike Nintendo's customer base.

also yeah what Marcus said. Nintendo made arcade machines in the home, and made them very family friendly (your typical arcade game usually looking very violent like the Time Crisis series or too complex like DDR). this isn't an innovation, it's just a remarketing of an old image.

but like Hundley said earlier who gives a fuck about innovation when no one has even gotten a character with more than two layers of depth together (BUT KEFKA...SO DIABOLICAL).

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#171 January 26, 2008, 06:48:21 pm

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Quote from: dangerousned on January 26, 2008, 04:16:33 pm

doesn't surprise me. producers that have been about "experiences", like Square, Kojima, whoever, tend to dislike Nintendo's customer base.

also yeah what Marcus said. Nintendo made arcade machines in the home, and made them very family friendly (your typical arcade game usually looking very violent like the Time Crisis series or too complex like DDR). this isn't an innovation, it's just a remarketing of an old image.

but like Hundley said earlier who gives a fuck about innovation when no one has even gotten a character with more than two layers of depth together (BUT KEFKA...SO DIABOLICAL).

Heh, I remember when "experiences" was all it took for a peice of entertainment to appeal to audiences of any type.

I wonder why that isn't true anymore?
(my guess is that "gamers" have lower expectations when it comes to what constitutes as one)

But I don't remember Time-Crisis being out when Nintendo brought acrade gaming home though. I mean, if that's the case, then how did the NES do so well with such shitty graphics?

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#172 January 26, 2008, 07:00:28 pm

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substitute "time crisis" with "dragon's lair" or XEVIOUS or whatever crappy games people played in the 80s. Why spend a quarter on galaga when you could just buy the home console edition and play it forever? Nintendo wasn't the first to do this but they were the first to create the hardware to actually handle it (for example, Atari's arcade ports like Pacman were HORRENDOUS). The market back then was young but as things advanced, Nintendo was staunch in remaining the same. "Everyone else using CD's which allow super cool FMV's and shit? Fuck that, we're Nintendo and we believe in inferior cartridges! Whoah, video games becoming more cinematic and featuring voice acting and stuff? Screw that, we'll try telling a cool story through text and animal sound effects because we're avant-garde like that! Hey, home consoles being able to play DVD's? PFFFFFFFFFF that's not the future! We'll create little microdiscs for the sole purpose of pissing off developers!"

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#173 January 26, 2008, 07:11:25 pm

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Quote from: angry black man on January 26, 2008, 01:44:45 pm

Arcade games did the same thing as Hundley pointed out. You put in a quarter and INSTANT GRATIFICATION that lasts all of half an hour. You don't have to stick a quarter in a Wii.

EDIT: Holy fuck, I just read that Suda BLASTED Nintendo because, at the time he was directing No More Heroes, he didn't realize the Wii was targeted for "Non Gamers". He solely blames the poor sales of NMH in Japan on Nintendo and has swore to never deal with Ninty again if he doesn't have to.

And this is coming from Japan.

He did say as much about Wii's demographic at the moment but as far as I know has no problem dealing with Nintendo on future projects. There is already one project currently in development that was announced quite some time ago along with pushing to create a sequel to No More Heroes. He's also involved with creating a Nintendo DS adaptation of "With Flowers, Sun and Rain."

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#174 January 26, 2008, 08:01:32 pm

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Quote from: angry black man on January 26, 2008, 07:00:28 pm

substitute "time crisis" with "dragon's lair" or XEVIOUS or whatever crappy games people played in the 80s. Why spend a quarter on galaga when you could just buy the home console edition and play it forever? Nintendo wasn't the first to do this but they were the first to create the hardware to actually handle it (for example, Atari's arcade ports like Pacman were HORRENDOUS). The market back then was young but as things advanced, Nintendo was staunch in remaining the same. "Everyone else using CD's which allow super cool FMV's and shit? Fuck that, we're Nintendo and we believe in inferior cartridges! Whoah, video games becoming more cinematic and featuring voice acting and stuff? Screw that, we'll try telling a cool story through text and animal sound effects because we're avant-garde like that! Hey, home consoles being able to play DVD's? PFFFFFFFFFF that's not the future! We'll create little microdiscs for the sole purpose of pissing off developers!"

Well yeah, I did know this. I was just saying that to point out how inept his example was, and how it was friggin impossible to make a game look "violent and/or gritty" with 1980's arcade technology.

I am well aware of Nintendo's shortsighted and conservative business approach. I'm just trying to make a point about how making a game appeal to a more mature and "extreme" demographic has no bearing on how entertaining or "good" the game is, and I'll even go so far as to claim that if you look past the bias towards what appeals to your own particular "target demographic", the other consoles have pretty much the same crippling lack of "titles that aren't shit" as the wii.

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#175 January 27, 2008, 12:24:09 am

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I was under the impression that the reason Nintendo stuck with cartridges was because of different priorities in terms of the technology's performance than the other manufacturers. Catridges are a lot faster than discs, especially back then, and I had thought they stuck with cartridges because they thought fast loadtimes were more important than having enough space for FMVs (seeing as at the time, FMVs were about the only thing that would make games too big for a cartridge). Which I totally agree with, because I've considered FMVs the bane of the industry since....basically the moment I got over the initial impact of Final Fantasy VII and realized how much they damaged the experience of playing a video game.

So yeah, I never saw it as "being stuck in the past." I saw it as being unenthused by the advantages of CDs in light of their disadvantages. Although I realize that part of it was also so they could maintain a proprietary format so that publishers would have to buy media through Nintendo, too, which I totally don't support. But it's not like that's changed much since then. There's still no free and open and 100% legal way for a publisher (or even just Joe Q. Homebrew) to put a game on the console without going through the companies that make them.

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#176 January 27, 2008, 12:56:02 am

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Which I totally agree with, because I've considered FMVs the bane of the industry since....basically the moment I got over the initial impact of Final Fantasy VII and realized how much they damaged the experience of playing a video game.

While I'm not a fan of FFVII it basically revolutionized VidCons from the base, substance less games into something that actually had a modicum of depth. Sure you got genres that remain arcadey for the sole purpose of being arcadey like SHMUPS and stuff but the CD revolution changed the whole "games are for kids" vibe that most people got and made it into an actual form of ENTERTAINMENT. If games were still burned on cartridges I guarantee the market wouldn't be as MASSIVE as the movie industry.

Shoot, I think the video game market has almost surpassed the movie industry.

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#177 January 27, 2008, 01:40:23 am

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All arguments about bias boil down to "Why isn't your bias the same as mine?"

This thread has gotten wayyyy off topic.

Here's how I got my Wii:
-saved up a shitload of Airmiles
-went to Airmiles.ca and cashed them in for a Wii

Other options that I've heard people have done:
-go to more unlikely places to find a Wii, such as Costco or HMV
-ask the clerks at electronics stores when they get their general merchandise shipments delivered and show up bright and early the next morning in case they got Wiis.

..:: Full game is released. Download it now! ::..

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#178 January 27, 2008, 03:06:39 am

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In the Wii's defense I will say that it is capable of great story filled games. I was playing No More Heroes and you get cell phone calls so you put the wiimote up to your ear and listen through it like a cell phone. It has nothing to do with gameplay but for a split second I felt immersed in the game's world... before I returned to the generic fights.

The Wiimote CAN work on an interactive adventure game like Shenmue where you manipulate objects on a detailed level...

...BUT NO GAME SHOWS SIGNS OF DOING THIS. It's wasted effort JUST LIKE the Nintendo DS where the second screen is used entirely for mini-maps and life counters. Red Steel tried to do this but the core gameplay aspect failed. Wario Ware utilized some neat features but that game was the epitome of arcade-like games. After the SNES, Nintendo made systems that only Nintendo could develop for. Very, very, very, very, few developers other than Nintendo have made games that actually tap the power of their systems.

Nintendo can't rely on their cash cow franchises to carry them forever.

I take that back; as long as Pokemon exists Nintendo is guaranteed to stay in the market.

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#179 January 27, 2008, 01:54:59 pm

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Quote from: angry black man on January 27, 2008, 03:06:39 am

In the Wii's defense I will say that it is capable of great story filled games. I was playing No More Heroes and you get cell phone calls so you put the wiimote up to your ear and listen through it like a cell phone. It has nothing to do with gameplay but for a split second I felt immersed in the game's world... before I returned to the generic fights.

The Wiimote CAN work on an interactive adventure game like Shenmue where you manipulate objects on a detailed level...

...BUT NO GAME SHOWS SIGNS OF DOING THIS. It's wasted effort JUST LIKE the Nintendo DS where the second screen is used entirely for mini-maps and life counters. Red Steel tried to do this but the core gameplay aspect failed. Wario Ware utilized some neat features but that game was the epitome of arcade-like games. After the SNES, Nintendo made systems that only Nintendo could develop for. Very, very, very, very, few developers other than Nintendo have made games that actually tap the power of their systems.

Nintendo can't rely on their cash cow franchises to carry them forever.

I take that back; as long as Pokemon exists Nintendo is guaranteed to stay in the market.

The way I see it, it's a new medium and game-developers are morons. They aren't going to work with something/refine it unless it's been done before, and proved effective/popular. If we are lucky, then people will get the point to releasing games of class that utilize theese features properly in another year or two. (and that in itself is a shame, but more a problem with the industry as a whole)

And I thank my lucky stars Nintendo has that "blank check" to keep the cash flowing until then.

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#180 January 27, 2008, 04:46:15 pm

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I said this before Wii came out and I still believe it. The only thing Wii has going on is the whole control thing and it will get old in a year or two. In fact, it has already gotten kinda old because no one does anything good with it. I can't say playing with Wii is A NEW DIFFERENT KIND OF EXPERIENCE because it's not. Nintendo is pretty much the only company which even develops decent games for Wii and their games are the same stuff we have been getting for years already. Mario Galaxy is a great game but Wii controller doesn't make much of a difference. It has a few cool things going on but I dare to say Mario Galaxy would be just as good on Gamecube. It's still very similar to other Mario games and same applies to Zelda and Metroid. They are all great games but the controls are not creative or innovative in any way. The only game which has actually shown some potential is Red Steel but it sucks and the controls are horrible. Wii has been out for over a year already and I can't say wiimote is that great at all. It doesn't feel new or innovative and the fact that developers have no clue how to make use of it doesn't help.

Wii isn't revolutionary. Wiimote is little more than a gimmick and it's already getting old. Developers have no clue how to use it well and there is a serious lack of good third party developers and games. The biggest problem is that Wii is really outdated and while it can offer some SOCIAL FUN and has a few entertaining games which are a lot of fun, the fact that it's lagging so much behind in the technical department is seriously alarming. Better technology doesn't just mean better graphics, it means better everything. Wii is selling so much exactly for the reasons stated already, it's cheap and it appeals to people who might not be that interested in videogames to begin with. And I think Marcus is right, Wii is capable of of having great stories but the problem is NO ONE CARES. Developers know that the userbase didn't buy Wii to get games with substance and that's why other consoles will get those games. I think it's pretty accurate to say Wii is CHEAP FUN and it appeals to people. I don't hate Wii and I don't really regret buying it because it was pretty cheap and I know it's getting good games every now and then. However, I think people will get tired of it eventually and assuming this generation lasts 6-7 years, Wii will lose it appeal halfway through. As far as technology goes, PS3 and Xbox 360 are simply much superior. PS3 will definitely start selling a lot more once games like FF13 and MGS4 start coming out and its price drops, and Xbox 360 already has a better library of games than PS3 and Wii combined.

Last Edit: January 27, 2008, 04:51:51 pm by DragonSlayer

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