Politics The Nintendo 64/Playstation One Generation (Read 2007 times)

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I thought N64 was kinda shit, like for every real game there were like 25 racing games and pretty much everything felt really thrown together even some of the first and second-party stuff. Also there was LAG

PS-X seemed cooler and unlike N64 not EVERYTHING needed to be 3D, if it just didn't suit the game. I thought Playstation was kind of a good middle-ground because it had a couple of things that was just beautiful 2D art that even though it was 2D, it would've had to have been downgraded to run on an SNES. Like Symphony of the Night comes to mind

Also yes the 3D games did try to act like they were the most mind-blowing things ever when most of them actually had no sense of design and felt like big polygon farts. At least the games today seem like they have concept art and storyboards and people design the 3D models and environments around them. I always use Resident Evil 4 as an example but I really do like the style they did for that game. For all the CINEMATIC BACKDROPS the earlier games had this was framed such a way where I would be walking around some area and it really felt like they designed all the different props and things so it was set up in a very movielike way. Like they actually thought of it as a film set and spent a lot of time with little virtual cameras getting it just right

Like I hope people get what I'm saying, a game like Chrono Trigger LOOKED like Chrono Trigger and not anything else, but really I could imagine Goldeneye being any sort of generic shooter game and if the license were dropped all of a sudden it could've been without anyone noticing imo

And as for FFVII I wasn't that dissappointed by the graphics. I still thought the backdrops were beautiful and the way they transitioned from the videos kept the illusion pretty well.

But yeah I think SNES was best because at that point anyone could've really made anything as long as it was 2D. Also they had MODE7 and SUPER FX so it's not like 3D was an entirely new thing
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I get where you're coming from, but like some have said or, at least made reference to, you're a little bit extreme. At the time, the PS1 and the N64 focused mainly on RPG's (or action RPG's, or light action shooters) which focused on story because on-line play was not available at the time. This led to an era where nearly every game you played told a unique story with unique characters in a unique setting. The only problem with this was that a lot of people simply did not like RPG's, in-depth story-lines nor puzzles. They simply wanted shooter games, like Golden Eye (N64) or Jet Force Gemini (N64). Game producers probably realized this and began to put emphasis on this once the Xbox and PS2 came into production and consequently, the majority of the games are all shooter based games. Once the on-line notion came into play, it simply took-over the industry. If you have 5%-10% of a population of gamers who are die-hard RPGers why would you continue to make a lot of RPG games if the other 90%-95% of the gaming population enjoys playing, mainly, shooters with on-line-play? And even when a company does make a game they are usually under-budgeted.

Also, another reason why the PS1 and N64 era was so good was because of the emergence of a new generation of gaming. 3D games with NICE sound-clips. Prior to that it was mostly 2D with midi music o.O

So, the current generation of gaming consoles isn't necessarily bad.. but it's nothing new. So far, all the gaming industry has done is increase the graphics and introduce on-line-play (which is, actually, a big feat, but nothing truly new). So until they come out with some NEW genre of game play, I don't see a very bright future for RPGs in this current era (they have, however, started to create the non-linear RPG games like Mass Effect which should prove to be interesting).

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Earthbound has the best music and art ever sorry
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I never owned a SNES and i think it was the best generation.

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I love my Nintendo 64 and my Playstaion. Together, we were undefeatable... Well until the PS2 came along.
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Bah, you 64 people may have your fancy technology and graphics, but us SNES people have Super Mario World, Link to the Past, Star Fox, Donkey Kong Country, Super Bomberman, Contra, not to mention the best crop of RPGs ever released.

PS.  Feel free to rebutt with NES examples.


man....I wanted to do the snes examples  :sad: but its already done. Ohe welll here goessss

Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven stars, FF(insert number up to 6 here), Breath of Fire series, 7th saga, AAH Real monsters, Actraiser 1 and 2, the tick, tetris, dr mario, zombies ate my neighbhors, Ys III (ok i admit i didnt like this game too much), xmen, wolfenstein 3d, doom, warios woods, mk 1, 2  ultimate 3, uniracers, top gear series, ninja turtles, super turrican series (loved these games), super mario allstars/world/world2/kart,  primal rage, ninja gaiden trio, prince of persia, power rangers movie/mightymorphin/fighting edition. I named the ones i played yesterday on the xbox (minus the series i mentioned, mightve played one)  :fogetcool:
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Basically [whatever ][/whatever] is the best generation.

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I agree, except I found this better:


Personally I found the SNES/Genesis generation awesome because Disney platformers were all good those days... unlike today were Disney has lost most of its magic.

I'm sure most of us remember these gems (obviously not all are Disney but they're still great):
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Basically [whatever you played as a kid] is the best generation.

There's a simple explanation for that. The entertainment industry has gone constantly downhill for the past 50 years, meaning what you experienced as a kid really was the best to you, because everything better than it was before your time, and everything after was worse.
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Man, I had quackshot as a a kid, and I was stuck in Transylvania for like A YEAR. In fact there were a lot of games as a kid, where I just hit this impassable point my little brain couldnt figure out.
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"being a kid is like a really bitchin acid trip and everything after the age of 13 is an epic come down."
- Saul Towers, Linguist and Amateur Alphabetizer

i think that quote truly spreads some light mayonaise on the chicken sandwich at hand, if you will.
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That explains Lisa Frank pretty well

and Teletubbies

but Boobah is still inexcusible

Edit: Actually it's kind of off topic but apparently some people have synesthesia when they're kids but lose it around puberty
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I also agree with Ash. The games you played when you were a kid only seem better because of nostalgia and the fact we were too stupid to notice flaws in the game; because gaming was new to us back then.

I only have a Wii so I can't comment on the PS3/360 but I've played quite a few Wii games and I don't see anything wrong with them.

I believe that it only seems like there are less original/fun games now then back then because now gaming is more popular so a lot more games are being created thus adding to the illusion that there are less great games.
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I find old generations of games quite overrated; some are near unplayable. I think interface optimization has been best since 2003 and has been continuing well into the current generation. N64 and PSX games had the disadvantage of clunky hardware and bizarre controls (how many c-button z combos did you have to do in Banjo-Kazooie?) The recent polish has been much better for the art form as whole, making the experience more dynamic.

Although, I must admit, sometimes a complicated control scheme works in games where the sheer amount of actions possible would be difficult to fit into six or seven buttons (i.e. NetHack).

And still, you cannot beat the most recent generation for ease of online play.
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I agree that my views may or may not be nostalgia, but I can play basically any notable game from that generation now and enjoy it much better than any game in the current generation. That applies to games in the N64/PS1 generation that I haven't played, too. Creativity and basically anything outside of shooting games are at an all-time low and will only continue to decline.
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Vectorman....oh my god...
Nostalgia x2. That game was insane for it's time, IMO.

The best Disney game has to be this, by the way:
I must have spent months on this game.
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Vectorman....oh my god...
Nostalgia x2. That game was insane for it's time, IMO.

The best Disney game has to be this, by the way:
I must have spent months on this game.
Me too.. I loved how you aged in the game and how varied the levels were. For some reason I could never master throwing Scar off the top of Pride Rock at the end of the game. Actually, I don't think that I've ever done it to this day. :cry: (That's it, I'm putting it on my PSP.)
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Dude, WORLD of Illusion was six million leagues above Castle of Illusion. I mean, seriously; cooperative simultaneous play? Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck? Platformer? Fuck yeah.
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maybe you just liked your life better when you were 10.
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3.) Gameplay was heavily favored in basically any game you could pick up and play from this generation. Not many people were worried about graphics at this point because it was just the first step towards mainstream 3D gaming. It was all about the gameplay at this point in the history of gaming; now it's nothing but making sure something looks good.

I don't know how to break it to you, but you're sort of wrong. Everyone I knew wanted the biggest, baddest looking games because fully 3D console games were new and exciting. They were hot shit.
Gran Turismo, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy.. These games made people blow their loads, they looked ORGASMIC back in the day. Some people even dismissed Gran Turismo as "just good graphics" because the realism wasn't what a lot of arcade racer fans were used to.

It's gotten a lot better now, I think. HD capabilities are making people want the best graphics, sure, but nobody is absolutely ape-shit over graphics like they were six or seven years ago anymore.


Now... The day we go 4D... Holy batfuck.