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Oooh, didn't know that. That sucks, did he state why? By the way, I think Ozy was actually in the trailer; I didn't spot him at first, but he's the guy in the body suit with the abs with all the screens behind him.
Ever since From Hell and League of Extraordinary Gentleman he refuses to be associated with, credited, or paid by any adaptions of his work.

And yes, Ozy is in the trailer but they make him look obviously like a villian. Also the screens feature a historical figure from the 1970's.
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yeah it was him, but all it showed was a kind of gay looking bodysuit on a dude who was too skinny for the role (you can tell by his neck and face!) and i think him hitting someone with a pole or something.

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In an interview with Variety's Danny Graydon during Warner Bros.'s first possession of feature film rights for Watchmen, the comic book's writer Alan Moore adamantly opposed a film adaptation of his comic book, arguing, "You get people saying, 'Oh, yes, Watchmen is very cinematic,' when actually it's not. It's almost the exact opposite of cinematic." Moore said that Terry Gilliam, preparing to direct Watchmen for Warner Bros. at the time, had asked Moore how the writer would film it. Moore told Graydon about his response, "I had to tell him that, frankly, I didn't think it was filmable. I didn't design it to show off the similarities between cinema and comics, which are there, but in my opinion are fairly unremarkable. It was designed to show off the things that comics could do that cinema and literature couldn't."[22]

Moore also told Entertainment Weekly in December 2001, "With a comic, you can take as much time as you want in absorbing that background detail, noticing little things that we might have planted there. You can also flip back a few pages relatively easily to see where a certain image connects with a line of dialogue from a few pages ago. But in a film, by the nature of the medium, you're being dragged through it at 24 frames per second."[67] Moore had opposed the adaptation of Watchmen from the beginning, intending to give any resulting film royalties to Watchmen artist Dave Gibbons.[24] According to Moore, David Hayter's script "was as close as [he] could imagine anyone getting to Watchmen." However, Moore added, "I shan't be going to see it. My book is a comic book. Not a movie, not a novel. A comic book. It's been made in a certain way, and designed to be read a certain way: in an armchair, nice and cozy next to a fire, with a steaming cup of coffee."[24]

In an early interview with Entertainment Weekly's Ken Tucker, Watchmen artist Dave Gibbons said that he thought the time had passed to make a Watchmen movie. At the time, Darren Aronofsky was expressing interest in directing the film under Paramount Pictures. Nevertheless, Gibbons said, "It was most likely to happen when Batman was a big success, but then that window was lost." Gibbons also told Neon, "In a way, I'm glad because it wouldn't have been up to the book."[22]

there's also the part where pretty much everything of moore's hollywood has gotten its hands on, it's ruined, and so i can't really blame him for being skeptical from past dealings, because i suspect the way he views them is more or less spot on.  man this movie would be ten times better if gilliam directed it, though.
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I'm reading up on this a bit lately, and I have to say, my favorite thing about the Watchmen book/movie is the Comedian. He just looks so badass.
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I know absolutely nothing about The Watchmen, but the only character that seems interesting from my brief research (wikipedia) and the trailer is Dr. Manhattan.
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I know absolutely nothing about The Watchmen, but the only character that seems interesting from my brief research (wikipedia) and the trailer is Dr. Manhattan.

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I know absolutely nothing about The Watchmen, but the only character that seems interesting from my brief research (wikipedia) and the trailer is Dr. Manhattan.

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Urgh it's WATCHMEN no "the". 

Anyways, Moore is a pretty big jerk but the guy has a long history of being screwed out of his work.  There's the whole bit with Miracleman (which is still being fought over by Gaiman and McFarlane).  He got screwed out of America's Best Comics which was a part of Wildstorm that got sold to DC without his input (and he had previously sworn never to work with DC again).  Speaking of DC, they originally claimed they would revert rights to Watchmen and V for Vendetta when they stopped printing the books... which they have continued to do so the past 20 years but the original deal made it sound like it would only be printed a short while.  His work usually ends up edited (like the Marvel Douche which got recalled) and against his wishes there's always a "recommended for mature audiences" label slapped on his books.

But at the same time, everyone who works with him has testified that he's really unpleasant to work with, highly demanding, and a self centered jerk.  He's very vocal in his opinion and openly attacks people in public.
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Urgh it's WATCHMEN no "the". 

Anyways, Moore is a pretty big jerk but the guy has a long history of being screwed out of his work.  There's the whole bit with Miracleman (which is still being fought over by Gaiman and McFarlane).  He got screwed out of America's Best Comics which was a part of Wildstorm that got sold to DC without his input (and he had previously sworn never to work with DC again).  Speaking of DC, they originally claimed they would revert rights to Watchmen and V for Vendetta when they stopped printing the books... which they have continued to do so the past 20 years but the original deal made it sound like it would only be printed a short while.  His work usually ends up edited (like the Marvel Douche which got recalled) and against his wishes there's always a "recommended for mature audiences" label slapped on his books.

But at the same time, everyone who works with him has testified that he's really unpleasant to work with, highly demanding, and a self centered jerk.  He's very vocal in his opinion and openly attacks people in public.

Most artists who are passionate about their work are usually unpleasant to work with. I've seen videos of him just getting interviewed or just hanging out and he seems like a pretty nice guy, really. And after watching the film versions of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and V for Vendetta I don't blame him one bit for holding a gruge on Hollywood.

Also, from the footage I've seen of this movie it seems like they're doing the same approach on this that they did with 300, which is just going to kill it in my opinion.
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I've herd about the comic "Watchmen" but nothing more so when i found out about this film i decided to get the novel and read it and read it i have.
I think it was great and i liked the idea of heroes only being as powerfull as they themselves made themselves to be (if that made sense). I liked how they were human in both personality and ability.
My favorite character was Rorschach because his costume was simple but cool and he was infallible in what he did, even if his methods were most definitely questionable.
He's like the the most heroic of them all but at the same time the most dark. Since even at the end tried to do what he thought was the right thing and never stopped doing it but to get to what he though of what justice was he was willing to hurt and kill so long as justice was served, for him the end justified he means, the crime justified his reason.
The artwork was decently detailed and suited the atmosphere perfectly. Ultimately one of the better comics I've read in a long time. I just hope they don't screw up the film, i don't mind if they change the story for the screen since some stories just don't suit it so long as its a good one.
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i think it's pretty ironic that rorschach justifies the means with the ends, and then
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Also, from the footage I've seen of this movie it seems like they're doing the same approach on this that they did with 300, which is just going to kill it in my opinion.
When I first saw the previews, the visuals had me in awe and I was pretty psyched for the movie for a bit.

Once they mentioned "The director of 300", that all got shot to hell real quick. Oh well, at least it will be marginally entertaining.

I for one, can't wait for "Meet the Watchmens" to come out!
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I for one, can't wait for "Meet the Watchmens" to come out!
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When I first saw the previews, the visuals had me in awe and I was pretty psyched for the movie for a bit.

Once they mentioned "The director of 300", that all got shot to hell real quick. Oh well, at least it will be marginally entertaining.

I for one, can't wait for "Meet the Watchmens" to come out!


Upon re-reading the book, I have serious doubts of the movie comes to even a fraction of what the novel tried to express. It's just too much for the 300 guy to handle.

300 was an awesome movie though, I don't know what the hell some of you guys are talking about.
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how was it awesome, exactly?  it was the epitome of a one trick action movie that substituted a lifeless visual style for any real substance.  so was it awesome because WHOAAA that guy totally just sliced that dude's head off, or was it awesome because of the total lack of characterization or development?  or maybe because of the mediocre plot and overblown, melodramatic dialogue?  it was just some trite, one-dimensional action movie that ripped off greek mythology with a photoshop filter applied to it.  it was fluff, and had about as much cinematic merit as xXx: state of the union.
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how was it awesome, exactly?  it was the epitome of a one trick action movie that substituted a lifeless visual style for any real substance.  so was it awesome because WHOAAA that guy totally just sliced that dude's head off, or was it awesome because of the total lack of characterization or development?  or maybe because of the mediocre plot and overblown, melodramatic dialogue?  it was just some trite, one-dimensional action movie that ripped off greek mythology with a photoshop filter applied to it.  it was fluff, and had about as much cinematic merit as xXx: state of the union.


I am blown away by this. Obviously this type of post is meant to start arguments but damn you got me.
I mean, obviously the filters and visual style of the movie are pretty new to modern cinema, which I suppose you can view as a bad thing if you really try hard enough, but it's hardly a ripoff of greek mythology since it's a retelling of the story lol. Pretty much everything you said sarcastically was a good thing, was actually pretty good.

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well eric you have laughably terrible/low-brow taste in everything so i was actually hoping that someone halfway intelligent would give me a legit answer.  i wouldn't call it a retelling so much as a ripoff because it took ridiculous liberties and generally took a piece of mythology and turned it into a shitty hollywood blockbuster.  also the visual style isn't bad because it's new; i don't even think it's inherently bad at all, but directors use that exact kind of flimsy shit as a substitute for cinematic worth.  it's just a sheen they put over it instead of actually bothering to make a good movie.  it's a gimmick.  and none of my post was sarcastic.
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Alright, so maybe it wasn't awesome from an objective, literary standpoint.

But I sure as hell liked it. To me, movies aren't books. If nothing else, I'm a pretty damn well read person, so when I read a book, I demand character development, plot, and dialogue, and it better be damn good. But if a movie has pretty explosions, cool effects, and I can enjoy it with friends, then hell, it's a good movie to me.
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why would you have vastly lower expectations of a movie than a book?  that's totally unreasonable.  they're different mediums, but there's no linear difference in quality.  you always play up this BOOKS: TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, GAMES/MOVIES: JUST FOR FUN point and i don't really understand where you would get such an arbitrary misconception.  what is there about movies that would give you ANY idea that it's somehow more acceptable for it to just be mindless fluff than it is for a book to be the same?

also i've never judged 300 or any other movie based on some literary standpoint, so books are wholly irrelevant, here.  i'm judging it based on a cinematic standpoint.  as in, it's not being measured against FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS, it's being measured against other works within its own medium.  but there's a difference between a good movie and a FUN movie, in the same way there's a difference between junk food that tastes good and... actual well prepared cuisine.  would you eat doritos and then a really well cooked dish and then be like "whelp they're both tasty so there's no difference in quality/substance at all"?
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i am going to derail the topic for a moment and ask whether anyone knows how 300's visual style is done. is it just like a universal COLOR FILTER or something?
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