Topic: 'Watchmen' movie... and videogame... (Read 29861 times)

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I think changing the ending is in good taste, outside of the whole "plausable vs inplausible" thing too.

I mean think about it. If he tried to take exactly what the comic was and make it into a movie, then it would obviously fall short and people would complain. But now he's taking this movie as something that obviously has to be a different entity from the original Watchmen series, and thusly in can be judged on it's own merit instead of in relation to what the original offers.

But more than that, people will get to watch this movie and not be spoiled on the ending of the comic. So they can enjoy both to their entirety despite how the rest of the plot seems to fall in line with the original (for one thing, I'm sure there are a lot of omissions that wouldn't make sense in movie format, which probably plays into why the movie's plot reaches a different ending point than in the comic).
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man that trailer was awful
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oh my god the ACTING in that trailer.

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i like how you guys are complaining about a COMPLETELY TRIVIAL aspect of the ending which doesn't actually change it at all or the way things happen.
it doesn't unless you were really gung-ho about that island of intellectuals and person with the weird brain part of the story staying exactly the same as it was. i guess some people could be?

-why would i want to save a world that i no longer care about.
-do it for me.
-oh that's really compelling i will get right on it.

flattest thing in the world, this whole movie looks like its gonna suck and i hate hate hate rorschach's angry growling whispers
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man that trailer was awful
serious? after all the slow-motion/hype trailers they've been spewing out this was a nice change. you know, with actual content.
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flattest thing in the world, this whole movie looks like its gonna suck and i hate hate hate rorschach's angry growling whispers

yes the acting in the trailer is terrible and this movie is most likely going to suck but uhhh that's how rorschach is supposed to sound!  at least, that's how alan moore reads the character http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FS60iN0g2I
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Are you guys serious? I pretty much dislike Snyder but I legitimately think this movie looks good.

esainn: if that was the case the graphic novel would have been shunned a long time ago!
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Are you guys serious? I pretty much dislike Snyder but I legitimately think this movie looks good.

esainn: if that was the case the graphic novel would have been shunned a long time ago!
if what was the case? people disliking flat characters? there's a difference between flat acting and flat characters. they both just sounded really bored.

also moore's voice is a lot less guttural and phlegmy sounding, it was just gravelly. this sounds kind of like the batman voice from the new movies which is hard to take seriously.
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serious? after all the slow-motion/hype trailers they've been spewing out this was a nice change. you know, with actual content.
it doesn't count if the actual content is bad
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as horrible elitist as this sounds I dont understand how anyone who enjoyed the comic book could look forward to this. ah yes this book that was about 99% defined by its medium and the only reason it's significant...it needs to be in fucking motion for some reason because I have all the imagination of an inanimate object and cannot fill in the gaps between panels.

it sounds bad but I can't imagine you really got what made watchmen good if the thought of a zack snyder movie and videogame gets you excited.
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lol I was waiting for that one.

Fuck Alan Moore dude, this movie is going to kick ass.
Just because it won't be AS AWESOME as you think the book was, doesn't mean it's complete garbage.

But if you look around the different forums, Watchmen is a lot more coveted than the other comic books, so of course there are going to be people upset. I'm not surprised to hear the whole "you guys don't understand watchmen" thing again, but this movie will likely generate interest in the book, so at least you'll get to be one of the OG's right?
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it's "complete garbage" for entirely different reasons but yes FUCK ALAN MOORE for not wanting his comic needlessly turned into shit to turn a buck off of vapid nerds like you who think this is good or even watchable.  but yes thank you for presuming that the reason we think it will be bad is because we like the comic books and are just OVERLY SENSITIVE NERDS and that we're saying "you just don't understand" because we are elitists and heh.... you just dont get it pal.  or it could be that, you know, we think it'll be bad because it looks like a poorly acted piece of shit action movie which isn't anything like the comic book at all; it could also be that we are saying you don't understand the book because if you did you wouldn't think that some cheeseball superhero movie is a good idea when even alan moore himself says that it shouldn't be adapted because it doesn't make sense out of the context of a comic.  as in, that is kind of the fucking point and it being a movie to begin with is a terrible idea because the concept itself is based around the medium being a comic.

man it is funny eric, you are such a one-note guy about this stuff.  no matter what worthless piece of trash comes along, the second someone like steel or i criticizes it for being bad in ways that anyone who is even remotely intelligent could see, you come along and reduce the entire critique to "heh im elitist" or "heh i dont like anything mainstream *listens to underground music to appear unique and interesting*" despite the fact that it is rarely even close to what anyone in the topic has said.  you are one of the worst goddamn judges of character i have ever seen and i am completely serious when i say that your reading comprehension skills are fucking shameful.  i have never encountered someone who could so consistently COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT of everything.  if there was some kind of process someone with an extremely shallow capacity for thought and observation could go through to get better, right now i would be the time that i would suggest you do that.
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What the fuck dude, I didn't say anything about you being elitist!!! Did you guys like peg me an outsider or something because every time I post it's one of you guys after me!
I seriously don't know why you hate my guts so much, you really don't know anything about me other than 2-3 sentence comments, you DEFINITELY don't know my reading comprehension lol. I'm seriously trying really hard to get on your good side and you are coming at me for what seems like nothing.

To defend myself, obviously it's not like I hate Alan Moore, but the guy is pretty out there, and to say "when he wrote it, he wasn't thinking about a movie, SO NO MOVIE," is too strong! Give it a chance! I don't know about you, but I've been trying to keep up with this movie, the video blogs, set visits, all that nonsense, and IMO, it looks great. The director has SAID there will be more action, just because it is a movie. I agree that the acting in that trailer is bad, the voices for Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach not so great, but I appreciate that it isn't the book, and did like the book, so I welcome the movie! Watchmen is probably lucky to have Zack Snyder in some ways, because there probably aren't many other directors out there that would respect the source material so much! (Not counting the ending change...)



But yea dude, I don't recall ever even using the word elitist, and other than you trying to insult me all of the time I have no problem with you!
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They're saying it won't fit as a comic book movie because the actual comic book "watchmen" is a sort of spoof on comic books so its like making a comic book movie based on a comic book that is sort of about comic books which is really stupid.

I've never read the watchmen but it seems pretty interesting so someday I'll probably pick it up. I can understand why it is repulsive to some people but it just isn't so with me because I haven't read it yet. So I will probably end up watching this movie first and going, "that was a pretty good movie" when yes it will probably be a horrid remake of a comic which shouldn't be remade in the first place.

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I have no problem explaining myself; if you disagree I'd be glad to give my full opinions, but I tend to write huge paragraphs and think they are too long and delete them and sum things up. I'd definitely rather argue real opinions than sling personal attacks at someone...



About Watchmen being a parody: this is true in the book.
Obviously parallels with Superman, Batman, and the thing about the replaced superheroes (Nite Owl II). Actually my favorite is the "35 minutes ago" comment about villains.
Watching the trailer for this movie, it's not so obvious. It may not even be such a theme in the movie, rather the movie rely on the actual plot. I guess if you instantly dislike of the movie for that reason I understand, but I'm sure no one here has seen it yet!
Consistently though, there is NO way to transmit everything from a book into a movie, and aside from just being a money maker, the movie will also generate book sales! I can't imagine anyone who likes the book wouldn't want other people to like it too?

As for Watchmen not being adaptable to film, I disagree. Obviously parts of it will not translate: sections of Rorschach's monologue, Mason's book, etc... But optimistically, none of the comic movies were meant to be films. Spiderman, for instance, had to be updated for movies by having webbing come from his body. Back whenever Spidey was made, web canisters were beyond impossible. Now that we are further in science, it wouldn't even be believable.
Things like this can be updated, for instance our better knowledge of nuclear weapons, in relation to the cold war aspect of watchmen. I don't believe it could be completely bad, even if it were an unfaithful adaptation!
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What the fuck dude, I didn't say anything about you being elitist!!! Did you guys like peg me an outsider or something because every time I post it's one of you guys after me!
I seriously don't know why you hate my guts so much, you really don't know anything about me other than 2-3 sentence comments, you DEFINITELY don't know my reading comprehension lol. I'm seriously trying really hard to get on your good side and you are coming at me for what seems like nothing.
it is because you and a few others do this thing where you frequently come into topics of various sorts involving things like this or matters of TASTE in general and oversimplify people's views to squeeze them into some one-dimensional archetype like KID WHO DOESNT LIKE POPULAR SHIT and it is incredibly insulting because that's not what gw is at all, ever, and while you are right about my not knowing you, if you do think this is what it is (again you are part of a pack of 3-4 people who do this shit) then your reading comprehension skills are very clearly low, because no one would ever come to this type of conclusion if they had understood the posts.  if you want to get on my "good side" or whatever then you can maybe stop acting like all of our negative opinions of garbage like transformers are a direct result of us going against the grain.

also respecting the source material does not matter if you do not respect the context or the tone.  it is the LEAST important thing.  the fact of the matter is, as harry kind of said, watchmen is a commentary on superhero comics in the form of a superhero comic.  outside of the medium, it literally makes no sense.  that is why this movie is just A SUPERHERO MOVIE now.  the entire point has been lost so i couldn't give any less of a shit if it is factually faithful or whatever.  that doesn't mean it'll be intellectually faithful and that is far more significant imo.  watchmen as a concept is defined by the medium it was created in and loses all meaning outside of it; even moore himself says this, and it is clearly not something these people respect.  so it is an oversimplification to say that because alan moore wrote it as a comic it means no movie ever.  that's not why there shouldn't be a movie.  also zack snyder is a hack who makes nothing but drivel and there's no indication from either of the trailers i've seen that this will be any different.  it's just another crowd pleaser to appeal to the same apes who thought 300 was good.
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Man Spider-Man really isn't a good example either! Spider-Man was really popular and it's makers decided to maje it into a FRANCHISE basically, with TV Shows, toys, TV movies, movies, games out the ass, etc. Yes they change it every now and then (they gave him organic webbing in the comics for an arc too, so he didn't need the canisters), but it's a franchise that has a tone that stays the same no matter the medium it's in. The idea behind Spider-Man has always been COMMON NERD BECOMES SUPER HERO AND SAVES THE DAY. That is really it in a nut shell, but guess what? You can do that in any medium really. Film, television, book, game, etc, it all works. Moore intended Watchmen to just be this 12 issue series, a beginning and an end, an intent. Not a franchise. It's a graphic novel, it's not your normal comic book series that goes on forever and ever. It has a purpose, and the purpose relies on it being a comic book. I think the movie looks cool too (I thought it was gonna be A LOT worse...), but mostly because I guess I'm interested in seeing how good/bad it will really be in its entirety. I already expect that the entire SMART point of the thing will be lost in this transition, so I'm not really going in there with HIGH HOPES, but I think at the least it looks OKAY for what it will be (superhero movie).
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watchmen is a work almost WHOLELY dependent on the fact it's a comic book. do you know what a movie version of watchmen should be? a bunch of old movie characters like bogart, cary grant, gregory peck, all who have retired in the face of new action heroes like harrison ford, except for one or two who discover a sinister plot to destroy the world via some movie macguffin.

but this will not happen because it can't be watchmen and also because that's actually an interesting idea. you could do neat visual effects like have the film slowly progress from black and white to color, all sorts of stuff. but it won't happen.

this movie is a fundamentally bad idea. it has nothing to do with being one of the "OG"s or whatever but more that no one who read Watchmen should have thought YEAH A MOVIE AND A GAME BASED ON THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. Moore is crazy, I never said he wasn't, and his other works like League and V could have been translated to film (and were, though rather poorly) without a loss of message. but Watchmen is about comic books and is a comic book and this is such an intellectually deprived idea that it doesn't surprise me an idiot like Kevin Smith would gush about it.

I'm flummoxed that you think fucking SPIDERMAN is comparable to Watchmen. not that Spiderman hasn't been at times brilliantly written, but Watchmen is a critique of the medium of comic books at its heart, not an everyman superhero struggling to do the right thing. jesus christ, have you read Watchmen? something tells me you haven't if you think comparing it to Spiderman makes sense.
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I think you guys are giving the Watchmen a little too much credit.  Or maybe I just DIDN'T GET IT but I think I can live without some kind of comic book commentary.

edit:  I really don't read comic books at all so maybe the comic book commentary was lost on me throughout the book, but I don't see why the movie couldn't still be a COMMENTARY or whatever the fuck on superheroes in general?  I guess?  I don't know, I'm just saying it doesn't look great or anything but it also might not really be HORRID SHIT (also guys stop saying horrid that word is the gayest) just because it's not making fun of other comic books or something.

Also I never really got the sense that it was MAKING FUN of other comic books but then again I guess I didn't really have much of a sense of context.
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you're kidding right.

well uh first of all the original group of superheroes is based on the JSA, there are obvious analogs between superman, batman, and manhattan, rorschach, the entire book is based on a realistic take on if the comic book superheroes grew up (not just normal people acquiring superpowers, which something like Demo or Secret Identity or a bunch of other comic books have already covered, as the entire thing is based on the optimism of the early comic books leading into the darker later years), there are constant, like, HUNDREDS of panel quips where someone says "out of the blue" and the next panel has doc manhattan appearing with his blue dingleberries, and then you've got all sorts of brilliant little jokes that make it a good work like the infamous political cartoon, all sorts of visual shit that just wouldn't convey in a film medium (where you have your leisure to notice details like, say, the fact that Pyramid Deliveries is outside the place the Comedian died), and all of this is ignoring the fact that superheroes barely exist outside the comic industry and saying something is critical of superheroes and not comics is like saying something is critical of the character of Hamlet and not within the context of the play.

and this is all based on at least a year old reading.
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