Topic: 'Watchmen' movie... and videogame... (Read 29861 times)

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they should have used the real henry kissenger tho imo
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there's a clear difference between what they were saying (big joke..) and what it actually was! (retelling of MGS, postmodern, etc etc)

I use stupid as a general term, but MGS2 was designed to troll the player by being as over the top as possible while still asserting itself as being "very real."  You can't tell me you took the game seriously when Snake's like "CHOOSE UR OWN DESTINY" then Raiden throws your dog tags to the wind.
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Some guy expecting a generic supe action flick left the theater towards the end and yelled "this movie sucks!". Call me a  dumb as fuck, but I do think that shows how much more this film conveys than most shit these days.

Yeah, this movie is gonna be hated by everyone who didn't read the book or who expect a generic super hero movie.
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god the woman who played the older silk spectre was horrible

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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I believe I've written enough in this topic, so I'll keep this brief...

I thought that truly was one of the greatest films ever made. I'll admit, for the first half hour I was almost nodding-off. It was an exposition overload moving at a snail's pace; I felt a little sorry for those members of the audience who'd paid to see a flick akin to 'The Dark Knight' or 'Spiderman'. But, once it really got going... Jay-Zeus Christ!

Yes, 'Hallelujah' was a godawful choice of music for the sex scene in Archie, but it was one of the (very) few complaints I have about the film. The music on the whole was excellent. From 'The Times They Are A Changin'' over the opening credits, to the disco track played during the Keene riots, to the Hendrix (I believe) track played on Archie's approach to Karnak.

I also loved how they really amped-up the tension in places. Two scenes in particular are the one in Adrian's office when Dan realises who's behind the conspiracy, and the scene when 'S.Q.U.I.D' engages. The music, the camerawork, the performances... Thrilling! And the slo-mo was absolutely fine, in my opinion. It was employed at just the right moments.

And Jackie Earle Hayley's final scene was simply beautiful. In the comic the impact of Rorschach's demise is dependent upon what the reader has learned about his character over the course of the story. You're left feeling genuinely sorry for him, and want him put out of his misery. Time constraints didn't award the film the benefit of this background. The build-up was marvellous, and Hayley really poured every ounce of his efforts into making that final dialogue really moving. I was seriously close to tears. In the comic Rorschach came-off, understandly, as a little one-note. Hayley managed to imbue the character with a soul, even if that had been severly diminished by Kovacs' almost complete absorbtion in his sociopathic alter-ego.

I could write all day about how great the cast was, even Ackerman and Goode. The latter really surprised me actually, having read many reviews commenting on how the weakness of his performance holds things back. I say bull-shit to that!

All in all, this film pleasured me in a way a woman never could. I mean that, seriously. Ever seen those posters detailing "10 Reasons Why A Cold Beer Is Better Than A Woman"? Same thing. 'Watchmen' was a soft, smooth fuck to the senses.

And...

some other gripes that suddenly arised

1. Manhattan and Veidt don't have the one-on-one talk. 

2. Manhattan telling Spectre that

3. Finally, Rorschach in the pedophile's house

1. Veidt very clearly showed remorse, as you say. Heck, that final shot of Ozymandias stood alone in Karnak, when Dan and Laurie look back, said all that needed to be said. It conveyed his complete moral ostracization from humanity (which now included his former friends), and the look on his face was clearly one of both guilt, and longing for the lost respect of his former comrades. You could tell that he was less than happy about the sacrifices he'd had to make. Very much like Batman, he knew he needed to become the villain in order to prevent human extinction. He even said earlier in the film that he'd devoted himself to a higher cause. He did so at the expense of walking alone from then on, even if it was only in his conscience.

2. Given the almost overwhelming quantity of information being thrown at the audience, I felt it was completely necessary to clarify that Blake was Laurie's father. In the comic this revelation occurs over a couple of pages, if I recall. The reader is given enough time to take it in. Again, the film didn't have the luxury of time. Manhattan's ability to induce memorial regression was one addition that I was quite pleased with, as well as the re-written ending. The Squid would've been... laughable, to say the least.

Also, bear in mind that Manhattan is also discovering the truth of Laurie's ancestry at the same time as she is, and he isn't one to be tactful when stating what's on his mind. His clarification was completely consistent with his character. And, by the way, Crudup played him wonderfully. Reading the comic, I expected that Manhattan would sound much deeper, and more direct in his address. Quite the opposite of Crudup's passive, distracted portrayal. Anyway, enough arse-kissing the cast...

On to...

3. It's a bloody bone. In the comic it wasn't entirely clear that it once belonged to Blaire Roche. However, in the comic you could take a second or two to make the connection. It's a matter of pacing. The film was so dense that it would've been easy to miss, like the confirmation of Laurie's revelation.

I love the comic, but I think I preferred the film. It was much leaner, and a great deal more imaginative (contrary to Alan Moore's opinion). The production design was phenomenal, very much like in Batman & Robin; only in Watchmen it didn't feel excessive or overly fantastical.

The only thing I did miss was the extra background that you get from the inserts between chapters in the comic. Thankfully I was able to apply that information to enrich my experience of the film, so it wasn't a biggie. I greatly look forward to seeing the full, 3 1/2 hour Director's Cut.

I said I was going to keep this short...
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I really disliked this movie. I think its probably due to me not knowing anything about Watchmen and not reading the graphic novel, but here we go...

Ok, so the main thing that bothered me in this movie was the pace. One of the worst cut films I think I have ever seen. A 3 hour film that should not have been this long. Why were there so many seemingly useless back stories that were pretty irrelevant to the plot? I couldn't consentrate and didn't know wtf was going on for most of the movie. For instance, the film stalled for about 20 mins at the funeral whilst in turn every single character looking at the Comedian's back story. This should have been cut out imo. Ok, I get it, its to show what an asshole he is etc, but once is enough. I also get that all this stuff happens in the graphic novel, but it definitley doesn't work on screen. The most part I thought that this movie was big montage, with a shoddy narrative flow.

Ok, the soundtrack...Never have I watched a film with truly some of the most unfitting  and random songs in all my life. Sound of silence, Hallelujah, All along the watch tower?? I got the impressions that these tracks were put in as becuase Zack Snyder liked these songs and wanted to add them. I can't think of any other justification other than one big troll.

The slow motion really got in my nerves. I mean it's one thing to do a Michael Bay and use it when there are big explosions etc, but he must have film about 40% of the film in high speed. and not just the action shots. It felt so stylised and focusing on stupid stuff like Nite Owl stepping in a puddle in slow motion...

Ok, next the visuals. Firstly, some of the costumes and make-up looked a bit like a joke. Richard Nixon prosthetic nose comes to mind. It looked completely ridiculous and actually reminded me more of that yellow pedo in sin city than Nixon. There were a few other character's that bothered me, but other than that the cgi world created felt fitting and looked nice.

I have spoken to people who love the graphic novel and they were loving this movie, so I guess that it did the book justice, but for a non-fan like me, it felt like a really poor stand alone movie. I would assume there will be quite a lot of mixed reviews for this film

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I really disliked this movie. I think its probably due to me not knowing anything about Watchmen and not reading the graphic novel

if anything this makes your complaints a lot more valid than anyone who has read the book, since you'll be judging it as a film. from what you've said it seems like stupid fanboy trash so I won't be seeing it. I bet if you made a chart of the people that liked that Clone Wars movie and saw how many liked the prequels as well it would be one to one.
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holy fuck i dont know anyting about watchmen but is that tobias from arrested development??
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if anything this makes your complaints a lot more valid than anyone who has read the book, since you'll be judging it as a film. from what you've said it seems like stupid fanboy trash so I won't be seeing it. I bet if you made a chart of the people that liked that Clone Wars movie and saw how many liked the prequels as well it would be one to one.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090304/REVIEWS/903049997

Roger Ebert was completely unfamiliar with the comic, yet he still thoroughly enjoyed it.

He also rated The Phantom Menace and Revenge of The Sith quite highly, but despised the Clone Wars animated film, and wasn't that thrilled with Attack of The Clones either.

His review of The Spirit was fairly adverse, but I rather enjoyed it myself. It wasn't great, but I had a good time and the visuals were worth the price of admission to behold.

Point: If you want to see it, see it. Ticket prices aren't extortionate these days, so it doesn't require too much compromise on your part (unless transport to and from the cinema is likely to tear a gaping hole in your wallet). Ebert is arguably the best professional film critic there is, yet there are films I have enjoyed which he gave the full thumbs-down. Make your own blummin' mind up!
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Point: If you want to see it, see it. Ticket prices aren't extortionate these days, so it doesn't require too much compromise on your part (unless transport to and from the cinema is likely to tear a gaping hole in your wallet).
$12 USD per ticket fuck no.
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Did you motherfuckers not notice every minority in Watchmen got fucked over?
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holy fuck i dont know anyting about watchmen but is that tobias from arrested development??
Yes, but that's not in the movie.  It's a photoshopped image.

I can definitely understand why someone who hasn't read the book wouldn't like the movie.  It's just not a typical superhero movie, and it's just not that relevant to today.  We don't have the threat of nuclear war looming over our heads all the time.  The book did a much better job of keeping the threat in the air at all times.

When I read Watchmen, I went back several times to remember certain events, since the story is so complex.  Not being able to do this during the movie made keeping up with the events difficult.  

I think the biggest shame for the movie was that they made it under 3 hours.  I know the director wanted it to be 3 hours, but the studio wouldn't let him.  While some might complain the movie is too long as it is, that's because a lot of the side stories were chopped down.  Like when you see the old Nite Owl for like two minutes, and then never again, and you wonder why they bothered with that scene at all.  There's a shit load more to that guy's story that ties in with everything else going on, and it leads up to one of the most important scenes in the book, but not in the movie.  Since they cut that scene, the full impact of the Watchmen on society was played down significantly in the movie.  

Anyway, on another note, not showing kind of pissed me off.  I'm sick of this "we can't seem like we're referencing 9/11 at all" bullshit because the comic was written in 1985.  
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Ryan you're just dumb.

coming from you of all people!
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$12 USD per ticket fuck no.

I paid £7 here in England, which works out to roughly the same. For an hour's work, on minimum wage, you get 2 hours and 43 minutes of cornea-titillating cinema.

Can't say you'd get the same enjoyment out of two or three shots of vodka...
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I paid £7 here in England, which works out to roughly the same. For an hour's work, on minimum wage, you get 2 hours and 43 minutes of cornea-titillating cinema.

Can't say you'd get the same enjoyment out of two or three shots of vodka...
That depends on where and who with you have the three shots of vodka.

I paid $8 to see it, but that's because I always do the matinee.  I hate going to the theater at night because traffic always sucks, the theaters are packed, and you have to pay more.  The more people in the theater, the more chances you have there will be some asshole with an annoying laugh or a cell phone that rings. 
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Watched it 2 days ago and I have mixed feelings. Some of its parts were enjoyable and it was worth the money but I wouldn't call it a good movie. Unnecessary and uninteresting scenes got too much screen time in my opinion, taking away the time from more important parts like the explanation of  Ozy's plan for example. Ridiculously long and weird looking sex and fight scenes, too much gore.

I think people who haven't read the comic will have hard time to follow the story, though some of my buds had no problems with this. It's obvious that the creators of this movie respected the source material and they haven't done anything disgraceful. That is a good thing. The changes weren't stupid and I actually liked this ending more than the original. Rorschach, Dr Manhattan and the Comedian were great, their looks, their voices, their acting, everything. So anyway, it was crammed and the ending was rushed as hell, but it was great to see Rorschach LIVE.

Maybe the DVD version with the extra time and scenes could save this adaptation.

edit: and yeah the songs: I also had the stink eye when I heard that my chemical romance is going to make a song for this film, fortunately it was only in the credits roll. But man, 99 luftballons? what were they thinking? On the other hand, Jimmi Hendrix was a fine touch
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I liked that they used 99 Luftballons, but the scene they used it in didn't work with it.  The rest of the songs worked really well, especially at the beginning.  I thought it was a great way to set up some of the back story and themes while being pretty amusing to watch.
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Did you motherfuckers not notice every minority in Watchmen got fucked over?

oh SHUT UP. SHUT UP. you are the most annoying person on the planet.

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

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I know I am but I am being serious. Every Asian person in this film gets killed or humiliated, every black person gets killed or humiliated. I don't understand.
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