Topic: 'Watchmen' movie... and videogame... (Read 29861 times)

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if you're gonna twist my shitty (heh) metaphor that way then you'd be getting dumber just posting here and that's impossible because you like batman and robin unironically

You're yet to explain why liking Batman & Robin suggests that I'm dumb.

And the great thing about being a sponge is that I can squeeze the shit out of me once I've finished processing it.

i dont even think he knows what it means. either that or he didn't get the simple idea of giving someone ups.

Your last post could be considered intertextual as you used a third party text (or image) to illustrate your point. A point which is intertextual in itself, as you merely reiterated Mark's comment by quoting it. The only content that you can claim credit for is your concurrence, conveyed through the juxtaposition of the two citations in the collective context of your own post.

A vast body of knowledge is no substitute for raw intelligence.

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Last Edit: March 09, 2009, 10:25:37 pm by OddButInteresting
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CATFIGHT *popcorn and lawnchair magically appear* *munch munch*

i don't understand any of these words you're using but keep talking!
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holy shit you're so dumb it's unbelievable. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa jesus christ dude. you even had to edit the definition of intertexuality to include images (THE WORD TEXT IS IN THE WORD INTERTEXUALITY) and then tried to claim it was a point on its own and then you're trying to claim that quoting anything to give someone else kudos is weak minded and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

you know you're really fucking annoying and here's the worst part you aren't very smart at all! you are in fact one of the stupidest members ever. I mean that! like you are really chronically dumb! I feel really awful for you. I bet you can get better though. like someone has clearly filled your head with a lot of garbage but at least there is a head to fill. good luck.

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And the great thing about being a sponge is that I can squeeze the shit out of me once I've finished processing it.

no you can't. this is why people buy new sponges.

also also just saw sex scene from Watchmen, laughed so fucking hard.
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man Alan Moore even uses quotes all the time in Watchmen to prove points. each chapter ends with a quote. holy shit you're so committed to some false purity you don't even get how dumb you're being.

no one quote anything to agree with it unless you use a five syllable word.

here's one.

odd but interesting:

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like a sponge in a sewer

a sponge could not absorb the shit he does and then emit such an unnecessary amount of sesquipedalia.

whew im safe!
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And the great thing about being a sponge is that I can squeeze the shit out of me once I've finished processing it.

you never get out the smell or the stains and then you get it all over your hands.
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yep this is getting pretty tired. 
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wait i didnt get to tell you my favorite watchman
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Topic is locked but I saw Watchmen yesterday and I have to say, I thought it was absolute garbage. Absolute fucking garbage. Pacing was awful and whatever the director was trying to do with the movie wasn't obviously working. Some of the acting was truly horrible and some of the action scenes were equally laughable. Sometimes music didn't fit at all and ugh, there were just so many things wrong with the movie. I'm not familiar with Watchmen so maybe there was a lot I didn't get but the movie sucked, that's for sure. It had a few good parts though and Roschach was cool.
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I know this is locked (but I'm going to unlock just because I'd like for this to continue in a civilized manner... and I want responses to my questions).

I'd like to state my own opinion on this film as I've never read the book and I was not familiar with Watchmen in any way shape or form. All I knew going into the movie was that it takes place during Nixon's presidency and that apart from one character no one has any super powers. Also, I was told not to expect a typical action film but one with narrative and meaning.

Overall, I have to say that I enjoyed it, but while I feel that I did keep up with everything that was being thrown at me, in the end there are a few things that just came out of nowhere that left me puzzled.

1) WHAT THE HECK IS THAT TWO-HORNED TIGER? AND WHY DID IT'S HORNS DISAPPEAR AT ONE POINT IN THE FILM? Ok, so the film explained the reason for Doctor Manhattan's creation which was good, but then to have this strange mythical creature show up without any explanation was so random to me. It actually distracted me from the ending of the film as my mind was trying to figure out what the heck this thing was. All I got was that it was Adrian's pet, but I maybe way off base here.

 :welp:

2) Why were the scientists there at the Temple with Adrian killed by him? Is it because of him using this technology as explosives around the world and he didn't want them to witness it? You see, when he fried them in the same manner that Doctor Manhattan was created I immediately thought that he was creating equals to Jon to be able to rival him. It didn't make any sense though (because then why wouldn't he just undergo the procedure himself?) but that's what I thought given the manner of their execution.

3) What the heck is the point of the Egyptian-like temple? The whole location was beautiful but why was it created like that? And why did Adrian develop a liking to the Egyptians in the first place? In the film he likens himself to Alexander the Great, so this whole Egyptian-esque setting at the end felt so random to me (as well as the Egyptian literature at the Pyramid company). (lol, only now do I get the connection between Egyptian stuff, and Pyramid. HAHAHAHA)

4) I was kind of confused by this Pyramid stuff and the conspiracy. It's sad I know, but I didn't get the connection that Adrian was the "bad" guy until the beginning of the scene after the file is discovered on the computer. There was something about Veidt and I just couldn't remember that company name, so it wasn't until the next scene showed Adrian that I put two and two together. In retrospect I think the film could have put more emphasis on his company early on and repeated it another time so you don't forget. All I got out of it during the film was that Adrian was the only Watchmen who revealed his identity and created a company that sold action figures. (So random...)

I liked the beginning of the film that revolved around the Comedian but then once that was over the story kind of fell flat for me. I think the scene where they rescue the people in the burning building was kind of weak and pointless. Also, while I thought the night vision goggles were neat, since they were never used later on what was the point in showing them? I take it some scenes must have been deleted (but then they should have deleted this as well)..

5) WHY THE HECK WAS A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON SO OVERRUN IN THE FIRST PLACE??? This came out of nowhere. It was very Prison Break-esque, but at least the Prison Break riot made sense and was orchestrated specifically for a purpose. In the film it was just a little too convenient as a plot device. One scene we see Rorshach (sp?) being put in this maximum security prison, and in the next scene everyone is outside their cell rioting EXCEPT him as his cell is still conveniently locked. WHAT THE???? I was very confused by that.

6) I don't really feel that I understood the neat looking contraption that Doctor Manhattan was making on Mars. Looking back I get that he has a background with watch making, and the machine he was building was very mechanical like a watch, but I didn't grasp why he was making it, or why it broke when it was punched... I'm sure there's some deeper meaning to this, but I don't think the film brought it out. It felt more like, here, look at this awesome contraption.. now look at the awesome CGI as it shatters! It felt very "The Fountain"-like.

I'll end this post by saying that I really liked Rorshach and his character. I felt that was very strong. The rest of the characters were a little weak. Doctor Manhattan would have been a lot better if they showed him as an ordinary man for longer and showed his personality traits, and then allowing us to see how his becoming supernatural changed him, rather than just saying at the end "Oh, Adrian used his psych profile to manipulate him!!" and leaving us to guess at how he was before his conversion.

Last Edit: March 20, 2009, 01:32:45 am by Mateui
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Time to get my geek-on! And don't worry, I'm long done arguing my case.

Questions.

I started to answer your questions, then thought "Sod it! Just tell him to go and read the comic!" All of your questions (with the exception of the fifth. To answer: I just assumed the prisoners controlled the place anyway, given that Big Figure and his lackeys were walking-around freely in both the comic and the film. Some prisons really are this liberal, simply because it's more economical.) will answer themselves.

So, yeah... give it a flick-through.
Last Edit: March 20, 2009, 01:44:35 am by OddButInteresting
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Can someone at least tell me about the tiger? (That's the one question I'm most curious about. Seriously.)
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Bubastis is a genetically-engineered Lynx. Veidt's geneticists created her as (I assume) a side-project to the infamous 'interdimensional psychic squid' that he teleports to New York at the end of the comic. In the film she's almost a complete anomaly, as the 'squid', and his geneticists are absent.

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Adding shit like that in for no reason pisses me off. Like, sure in the comic its got a place, but in the adapted version there is no reason for it to be there except that the fans wanted to see it. This is the fundamental reason why this movie is terrible. They didn't consider the wider audience of people who had never read the comic and therefore there are way too many plot holes and irrelevant scenes just becuase they're in the comic. I know it's early on, but I think this movie is a contender for the worst film of the year
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I disagree. I felt like they really hammered it into your head during the movie that Adrian was the smartest man in the world, and it felt pretty obvious to me that Bubastis was genetically engineered. I don't want to insult anybody, but of the people I saw it with, I'm the only one who's read the book, and nobody else even batted an eye at Bubastis.
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Adding shit like that in for no reason pisses me off. Like, sure in the comic its got a place, but in the adapted version there is no reason for it to be there except that the fans wanted to see it. This is the fundamental reason why this movie is terrible. They didn't consider the wider audience of people who had never read the comic and therefore there are way too many plot holes and irrelevant scenes just becuase they're in the comic. I know it's early on, but I think this movie is a contender for the worst film of the year

As a fan I really appreciated it. In fact, Bubastis was one of the earliest things I got excited about seeing when the first promotional material went out.

I've now seen the film twice. The first time was with my good friend who initially introduced me to the comic three years ago: we both regard it as our favourite film of all time (and I'm not one to rank things I love in order of preference). The second was with my mum and brother, who actually enjoyed it a great deal. My mum was thankful that I'd told her beforehand not to expect Batman or Spider-Man.

On my second viewing everything seemed to really fall into place and I was better able to see how they'd streamlined the source material. It demands a lot of the audience, but I do feel that on repeat viewings it's going to prove quite rewarding. I suggest giving the extended cut a go when it hits DVD, Lyndon.

I disagree. I felt like they really hammered it into your head during the movie that Adrian was the smartest man in the world, and it felt pretty obvious to me that Bubastis was genetically engineered. I don't want to insult anybody, but of the people I saw it with, I'm the only one who's read the book, and nobody else even batted an eye at Bubastis.

You've got to agree though that in the film she really did come out of nowhere. That said, her presence didn't really require an explanation. I love densely-constructed mythologies, but when I'm forced to endure numerous explorations of all its tiniest facets it just turns into an authorial wank. Bubastis certainly had a place in the comic, but even in the film it wasn't as if she was that distracting.
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I think this is one of the few movies based on a "novel" where you are better off reading the text before watching the film.  I watched it and saw everything I could dream of seeing in a Watchmen adaptation.  For an outsider to the material, I could see how certain parts don't make sense without some kind of foreknowledge, or at least multiple viewings.  However, this is one of my favorite movies of all time, and I really can't wait to see the director's cut, to see everything as originally envisioned. 

I don't understand what everyone has to bitch about this movie.  I'm not sure what better could have been done with the time alloted.  Sure, some of the music was cheesy, but it often played through the drama/action quite well.  Watchmen is pretty dark material, but the movie soundtrack really helped play through scenes that cinematically would have been kind of depressing to watch.  And then people complain about the extended softcore scene, when really it's part of a major sexual theme used in the book.  You've got these masked "heroes" who really can't get heir jollies until they beat the shit out of some thugs while wearing some serious BDSM attire.  Then they have really hot sex.   
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this movie was pretty bad.  did I say that yet?
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I read like the first 10 paged of the graphic novel the day before I saw the movie. I was surprised with how spot on the first scene was compared to the comic. I loved the movie. And the only thing that didn't make sense was when it showed Adrian putting that machine in the ceiling at Dr. Manhattans press conference. I learned later that he was the one that gave the people who worked with Manhattan cancer. I'm going read the whole comic now to get every detail and read missing material.
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this movie was pretty bad.  did I say that yet?
say it again..i cant hear you..
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movie = crap
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