Why are you passing judgment on a game you have yet to play, theirs no real reason for you to say a game is "like a load of shit" when you have no basis behind your statement, but that's your opinion I guess and theirs nothing I could do to change that, it may either be your loss for not wanting to try this game, or it maybe in your favor. I think it does a couple of things new, like the whole guard thing, although it's practically in every rpg, they gave it some purpose and strategy to having you characters either in the back or front row with the guard damage bar and all.

I kinda get what bonzi is getting at, If this game did come to the Playstation 3, I don't think it would have gotten as much shit for it's turn based battle system, that's why I trust Game Trailers review of it, they say it could have used a bit more gameplay wise, but excels at what rpgs are supposed to excel at which is the story and characters and the world your engrossed into.

Anyone played this yet, wouldn't mind knowing what it's like?

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Oh, so you're a cynic 

I would like to say that this game has the THE WORST packaging out of any next-gen console game yet.  Not only is the NA boxart TERRIBLE (I mean really, really terrible) but the game is four discs long and comes in a single disc package.  How do they fit four discs in a box without multiple disc flaps?  They stick three discs on top of each other and the third disc in a paper case.  A PAPER FUCKING CASE.

Goddammit MicroTrash.  WTF is this?  People on GFaqs board are having their BRAND NEW SEALED copies completely scratched up when they open it and this is the reason why.  Is it that much more expensive to include two seperate fold out disc flaps????  The Japanese version's box is actually slightly bigger as a result but NO MICROSOFT CANNOT DO THIS.  Microsoft doesn't mind throwing 50 billion dollars at Yahoo but HAY GUYZ LETS MAKE A HAPHAZARD PACKAGE FOR A GAME WE'RE DEPENDING ON TO INCREASE OUR WEEABOO IMAGE!

jap version


our version


p.s. that's not my hand.  i didn't suddenly turn white.

Oh, so you're a cynic  ​

holy shit my entire two posts have been about how videogames can be more than hackneyed shitfests.

Why are you passing judgment on a game you have yet to play, theirs no real reason for you to say a game is "like a load of shit" when you have no basis behind your statement, but that's your opinion I guess and theirs nothing I could do to change that, it may either be your loss for not wanting to try this game, or it maybe in your favor. I think it does a couple of things new, like the whole guard thing, although it's practically in every rpg, they gave it some purpose and strategy to having you characters either in the back or front row with the guard damage bar and all.

i adressed the fact that i haven't played this already. the fact that i'm not going to play this is part of my point, i'm not going to assume the best this time because all the stuff i read about this game puts it in a category of games which are steadfast in their refusal to wisen up! these games continue to be utter shit and you aren't getting it


and that point about the innovative guard system is just hilarious.

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also the original post is pretty terrible and even indicative of the kind of game this is. 23 lines of adcopy, a couple of screens and my thoughts: 2 lines. you actually put almost no effort into discussing the game and covered it up with a bunch of meaningless bullshit which you didn't even write. HWHWHWW - just like the game itself!!!!

Ahh Microsoft, butter up to the Japs for more sales and give us scratched discs and a paper case haha. I was addressing the fact that you can't really say a games shit without having played it, and I would get it, but I only have a Playstation 3, if I did have a 360, I probably would have gotten it. The guard system is innovative!!.. ohk not really, but it's something haha.

Just because I spent like five minutes on the topic doesn't stop anyone from discussing it, I would have made a more in depth thread had I played the game, but seeing as I haven't, why not just post the details of the game and hope for the best.

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Man, that's awful

I guess I can just keep the game in one of my several empty PC game cases with those massive spindles on them.  I have a bunch because I have bought a few game expansions and then put them in the original release's case, and my girlfriend has an enormous collection of Sims 2 expansions and Stuff packs.  But still.

My girlfriend is going to pick this game up for me on her way home from work and I'm really looking forward to playing it.  I think I'll wait until the weekend though because my real life doesn't really have time for fun stuff during the work week.

So your point, basically, is that there is no room for perfecting old forms or building on past accomplishments

i'm not saying this at all. this game, and games like it which are still getting released every day, have absolutely nothing to add. they aren't even trying to improve anything, they do the absolute bare minimum they have to do. in this case, the game upgrades the graphics and comes with a pedigree - those are the only two features i've seen that separate it from any other japanese rpg.

"perfecting old forms" would mean taking what already exists and fixing the problems it had. i haven't read anything that suggests this game does this, only that is offers the best of what already exists. "building on past accomplishments" cannot be applied to this because it is entirely riding on past accomplishments.

obviously i haven't played the game - i don't think anyone here has yet you all still want to buy it despite every inch of it's advertising and coverage says you have played this game before! you want to pay for more of the same, and so more of the same will keep getting made. i'm not proclaiming my undying hatred for jrpgs here, i'm just saying if games stay the same all the time things are gonna get really really boring.

: the only acceptable media are those that are shiny and new, and once they are no longer shiny and new, it is no longer acceptable to try to do things with the elements used to make them.

my entire argument has been about substance over style, substance being new ideas. i'm not talking about flash - this game has got plenty of flash all right. you can't just be commandeering my rhetoric for no reason guy.

An admittedly excellent game is a "hackneyed shitfest" because it only attempts to perfect an old genre(and according to all accounts I've heard, does a pretty good job, including your own reference), rather than inventing a new one.

I think you're really limiting yourself in terms of entertainment by insisting that the only things worth taking in are things that are revolutionary. Because there's very little that is.

who is admitting this game is excellent? all the people i've read who have played it say it is a pretty boring game. reviews has also been saying it doesn't perfect an old genre, it simply exists within boundaries already set.

this is where the disconnect comes in between video games and things like movies and books. if a movie  blatantly rips off the ideas of movies which have come before it, or simply adheres to a very old formula - it gets shitty reviews and anyone with sense doesn't like it. same deal with books - but if a game does this, then as long as the old formula is still kinda fun well fuck yes let's eat this up.

if the core experience is exactly the same and you know this and you still want to spend your money on it, then YOU are the one who is only concerned with shit that is shiny and new.

the reason i keep posting is because i want to convince anyone reading that if you buy this game and spend all the hours it demands playing it, what you are doing is propagating an attitude that games are worthless and that you are all stupid. you are also encouraging developers to make boring games because that is what sells. and you are wasting you own time which, if i'm being optimistic, could be better enjoyed playing something well made that has fresh ideas to boot.

Oh man I just typed a bunch and lost it because I hit the back button on my mouse.

Anyway

You're acting like we've been brainwashed into wanting to play this game, rather than basing our decision on it looking like what we like.  This is billed as a Japanese RPG made by people who have made some pretty good Japanese RPGs in the past.  Halo 3 was billed as an FPS made by people who make pretty good shooters and No More Heroes is billed as a zany faux-art game made by people with a reputation for making zany games.  We haven't been given any Kool-Aid, per se, but rather we just enjoy games like this.

I think you really need to lay off man because it's ridiculous to get worked up and offended about someone else liking something that you don't.  Nobody here is saying that the videogame is GROUNDBREAKING but all we're saying is that maybe it's a reasonably competent RPG worth playing and there haven't been a lot of them released in the past few years so we're excited!

i'm not saying this at all. this game, and games like it which are still getting released every day, have absolutely nothing to add. they aren't even trying to improve anything, they do the absolute bare minimum they have to do. in this case, the game upgrades the graphics and comes with a pedigree - those are the only two features i've seen that separate it from any other japanese rpg.

So maybe that's enough?  Does every game we play have to be the best and most innovative game ever made?  Lost Odyssey might play it safe in terms of overall presentation and features, but so have hundreds of other games over the years that have certainly been worth playing.  This is a game following an established mould but filling it in with new content -- dungeons we haven't navigated, battles we haven't fought, characters we haven't played as.  I get to make numbers go up that haven't gone up before and that is really the appeal of a game like this that has a lot of numbers to increment. 

All video game genres tend to follow this trend and I don't really think it's a problem the way you do and really I think you are being irrational.  What sets this game apart I guess is that it's a modern example of a genre that is pretty poorly represented thus far on current consoles and, honestly, in general.  Say what you will about graphical upgrades but in my opinion it's pretty cool to play a game with fairly familiar mechanics but with prettier pictures and new content.  Everyone seems to think that the Bionic Commando remake (not the new sequel) and Cave Story are the coolest things ever even though they do the same thing but just go further back in time and borrow from different genres.

I mean, I really do think that your problem is that you're cynical and you hate everything and will probably find a reason to be pissed off about any game that anyone is excited about.  Seriously man why are you so antagonistic?

Oh man I just typed a bunch and lost it because...anyone is excited about.  Seriously man why are you so antagonistic?

look this is videogames, of course it doesn't really matter but we're in the videogame forums and it would get tiresome to read a post which kept restating "BUT HECK not that any of what i'm saying is important.". and i'm not saying this to fight with people for the sake of it, i'm saying it because i think it might be helpful for somebody to hear.

and what is this stuff about cynicism. i don't think you are even trying to understand what i'm saying, and i'm not gonna sit here and write another big post cos i said all there is to say already. the thing that is getting me kind of riled up is how it seems like i'm shouting at a wall here cos it's not that people are coming up with good arguments against what i'm saying, they're just deciding on what they think it is i am going on about and filing it under the anti-jrpg file which just...pffff

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Haha, man, that is pretty awful. x_x Luckily my local gameshop is selling both the Japanese AND the PAL version (Japanese is region free + in English), so I might just be tempted to go for the Japanese version seeing that. The cover art is pretty awful, though. As gay and faggy as it is, I love the PAL cover art.

So your point, basically, is that there is no room for perfecting old forms or building on past accomplishments: the only acceptable media are those that are shiny and new, and once they are no longer shiny and new, it is no longer acceptable to try to do things with the elements used to make them. An admittedly excellent game is a "hackneyed shitfest" because it only attempts to perfect an old genre(and according to all accounts I've heard, does a pretty good job, including your own reference), rather than inventing a new one.

I think you're really limiting yourself in terms of entertainment by insisting that the only things worth taking in are things that are revolutionary. Because there's very little that is.

aren't you the guy who hates first person shooters because they're all the same

or something

That's the one, the Asian version. My mistake!

and what is this stuff about cynicism. i don't think you are even trying to understand what i'm saying,

Actually I do understand what you are saying.  I agree with your philosophy, really, but I don't think it applies here -- the sort of trash you're talking about is the Tales Of series.  But whatever we both withdraw right?

dont trade your PS3 for this game. Get Devil May Cry 4 instead