The desert style of everything IS getting pretty boring I agree but the quality of the maps gameplay-wise is really pretty good.

I was going to say "unarguably good" but I'm guessing you'd argue.

I honestly don't see how fucking de_cbble or some of the other css standards are better than the TF2 standards.

those games got single player though and if you split the dustbowl maps up the games could end in 2 minutes. I really wish for another set of textures too, there's only so much good looking stuff you can make with all the desert stuff.

BF2 and Enemy Territory don't have singleplayer (well, they do, but it's complete and utter shit and basically just to figure out the maps a little and practice aiming). I don't know about Frontlines, but yeah, CoD4 does have a very good singleplayer (even if you can finish it in like 7-8 hours your first time through no problem.)

AND AND AND regarding Dustbowl.. DB1 is the ONLY one of the DBs I see ending in 4-5 minutes on a regular basis. Nearly every game I played in DB2 goes on for 10+, and DB3 is usually goes the entire time limit or very close to it (it's a bitch to cap!) It's generally no better or worse than my games of BF2, which last about the same amount of time. (Although maybe you don't play public servers much vesper since I only see you on when we do Sunday Sunday Sunday ehhhh vesper????)

I only play on sundays because I think pretty much all maps are painfully boring :(​.

if i thought the maps themselves were boring i wouldnt play at all

really, this game is all about who you play with. play with the same people all the time and all you have left is the boring game itself, but play with publics all the time and you.. nothing happens. its just the same each time.

you need a good balance of who you play with, and then the maps should hardly matter at all.

All I care about are the maps. I love the valve maps, and anything user created I've seen so far is shit. Like orangex2 that just puts points on a large flat map with little cover, unbalancing the gameplay by leaving classes like the heavy and pyro less useful, and giving longer range classes like the sniper an advantage (what? you limited snipers on the server? that fixes EVERYTHING then!). Anyways, valve maps are top notch, and even though I can side with the people tired of the desert wasteland theme, it's honestly pretty well done, so it doesn't bug me as much. I do sometimes feel like there should be another game mode, but I can't really think of others that would work as well.

there are a lot of good custom maps, dont hinge things on stuff like orange x. those werent built to be fair.

stuff like the warpath remake, for instance, is really good.

there are also a lot of not-100%-fair-but-still-awesome maps like convoy, toy box, etc.

so yeah valve maps are great but if you get bored with those there are alternatives that aren't shit.

And tf2 only shipped with 6 maps. Most FPS games tend to ship with 10-20, and multiple game modes. (TF2 effectively only has ctf and control point).

Halo 3 didn't ship with many maps or modes, I know it shipped with more of both than TF2 but man it also costs a lot more and honestly I've gotten a lot more enjoyment out of TF2 than any FPS since Timesplitters 2.

Which, coincidentally, had a shitton of maps, modes, and weapons : |

I'm not "hinge"ing on it, I'm just using it as an example of a bad map.

I'm not "hinge"ing on it, I'm just using it as an example of a bad map.

but every game has bad maps

TF2 DOES have the worst custom map I've ever seen but I'm pretty sure it's intentionally bad because one of the vehicles has 4CHAN PARTY BUS or something written on it.

Seriously, find a server on the map Mario_Kart.

mario kart is an excellent map what are you talking about

no its really fun if youre with people you know and you all have mics (and know how to use the cars) but it is never the kind of map you play on a public server.

Me and a friend once played there for like 3 hours and had a lot of fun.

Doesn't stop it being really really awful

i just wanna creep round there with a demoman right this second

For those of you who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTGrjcgSeAA
"Saving Private Ryan, Team Fortress 2 Style"

Yeah I saw that awhile back. Hilarious.
I'm waiting for someone to actually defend the spawn like that screenshot so I can uber pyro rush the hell out of it.

For those of you who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTGrjcgSeAA
"Saving Private Ryan, Team Fortress 2 Style"

........I laughed...........

I may not be able to make it to anymore Sunday games.  My other friends are playing Football and Baseball every Sunday, and I have a lot more fun when I'm actually active.  On top of that, it's still violent ^_^