evangel gentleman was a redundancy in that instance

Please stop quoting things I didn't say.
- gamesmasterjasper

if you guys drive jasper off i swear to god.

honestly, i'm a little tired of seeing this kind of debate pop up without considering the core issue, which is :-

not all gamers are capable of playing a game without the aid of cheats. and games must be played, yes? yes, i think we can all accept that as an axiom. so, this is the dillemma: what are those who are incapable of playing games to do without the help of "cheats", or as i like to call them, game assists. tips and tricks can assist some of the less severe case of gaming disability, but in reality tips do not address those who "stuck", and tricks are only appicable to specific disabilities.

i mean, in a perfect world there would be a tip or trick for every gamer, for ever gaming situation, but news flash - we are not living in a perfect world. some gamers need to employ the use of cheats in order to play the game with any degree of success. i know some gaming conservatives look upon cheats as immoral but frankly this mode of thinking is outdated and monumentally insensitive. now look i don't want to upset everyone, my gaming stances are not the issue here. the issue is cheats.

tidbit: did you know that many games these days are opting to not include cheats?

i also hear dismissive comments like "oh games are so easy nowadays anyway". oh really? well perhaps you ought to tell that to the young man i met who could not go on playing the latest nintendo wii game his grandmother bought him for his birthday because it was "too hard!!!!". perhaps you ought to tell that to those retro-gamers who like to game nostalgic, or god forbid, CANNOT afford to buy the latest games and must stick to old ones.

perhaps you ought to tell that to them - because me? i'm not listening.

This offends me. Not as a gamer, but as a person conciously aware of the declining quality of what constitutes as "entertainment" in this society.

This is worse than "Tim & Eric: Awesome Show - Great Job!".

You know, I can see why someone wouldn't like the show, but at least Tim and Eric are being ORIGINAL. Also, the show isn't really even that popular as far as I can tell.

I'm convinced that most people think videos of other people falling down and hurting themselves is the funniest thing in the goddamn universe. Surrealism and absurdity are a refreshing change of pace. Sites like Youtube are a kind of double-edged sword for entertainment: on the one hand you've got original (maybe not always funny, but original), creative videos and stuff you can't see anywhere else, and the site brings an audience to people that otherwise wouldn't have a chance of having one. On the other hand, you've got 1000+ videos of people lip syncing to music while they sit at their computer. Also:

Art is not, and has never been, subjective.

"Art is subjective" is usually a term used to justify the insufficient pedagogical practices of self righteous dredges who believe themselves true artists despite their complete disregard for the principles of effective design...

Saying that art is in the eye of the viewer is nothing more than self-interested postmodernist bullshit requiring a concerted ignorance of the history and legacy of artistic achievement.

yeah...

Jasper have you played The Punisher video game? What was your opinion on it?

You know, I can see why someone wouldn't like the show, but at least Tim and Eric are being ORIGINAL. Also, the show isn't really even that popular as far as I can tell.
Also:

yeah...

I don't care about originality. Everybody looks for originality, and use it as their sole criteria for entertainment quality, and it causes any other aspect of the entertainment to suffer because quite frankly, it doesn't even matter anymore in this day and age. When I judge a show, I judge it by talent. If the show has no evidence of people with talent working on it, then the people working on it have no right to be producing entertainment (Tim and Eric think making a show with the intention of it being as ameatur as possible just to be ironic constitutes as entertainment. It doesn't. I can appreciate the message, especially since the more people watch the show, the more it proves my point). The only reason people watch this stuff is because they are complacent with the increasing number of talentless hacks permeating any industry that should require talent to get the job in the first place!

Frankly the show can be as derivative and unoriginal as hell, but I'll still appreciate it if it shows talent. Just because talent is much harder to find than "originality" in this day and age.

Also I didn't make that quote. I just saw it on IRC and it really spoke to me, so I made it a signature. It really helps when it comes to topics like this.

evil demon creature quit being all stupid!

I don't care about originality. Everybody looks for originality, and use it as their sole criteria for entertainment quality, and it causes any other aspect of the entertainment to suffer because quite frankly, it doesn't even matter anymore in this day and age.

you haven't even made any kind of point here. originality is dead! move on ya losers!!!!

When I judge a show, I judge it by talent. If the show has no evidence of people with talent working on it, then the people working on it have no right to be producing entertainment (Tim and Eric think making a show with the intention of it being as ameatur as possible just to be ironic constitutes as entertainment. It doesn't. I can appreciate the message, especially since the more people watch the show, the more it proves my point)

this isn't what i am posting to say, but tim and eric is not just trying to be as amatuer as possible, it's a mockery of some of the awful things we've all seen on television. infommercials, game shows, reality tv, very special programmes - etc. that isn't what this topic is about but it's telling because you don't get tim and eric, i'm not saying it is the best show i have ever seen, but you don't get it and it makes me think you are applying the same stupidity in your argument against this topic and generalising it to all satire, irony and parody because you just don't get it and it kind of pisses you off.

. The only reason people watch this stuff is because they are complacent with the increasing number of talentless hacks permeating any industry that should require talent to get the job in the first place!

the reason people watch this stuff is because it's funny, and it's funny because it's making some kind of point about the bullshit that continues to succeed in entertainment and art while presenting it's argument in a funny way! i'm not going to get into how it's funny because okay that is up to taste. you don't think satire is funny, then fair enough. you don't need to think it's funny, but you should understand that it is not just OH MAN LET'S MAKE A SHITTY COMMERICAL IT'LL BE SOOOO FUNNY. they are making fun of something terrible, because laughing at something is a good way of moving on, and that is not complacency. you are the complacent one, the one who is okay with something being "derivative and unoriginal as hell", if it shows whatever your skewed perception of what talent is.

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I don't care about originality. Everybody looks for originality, and use it as their sole criteria for entertainment quality, and it causes any other aspect of the entertainment to suffer because quite frankly, it doesn't even matter anymore in this day and age. When I judge a show, I judge it by talent. If the show has no evidence of people with talent working on it, then the people working on it have no right to be producing entertainment (Tim and Eric think making a show with the intention of it being as ameatur as possible just to be ironic constitutes as entertainment. It doesn't. I can appreciate the message, especially since the more people watch the show, the more it proves my point). The only reason people watch this stuff is because they are complacent with the increasing number of talentless hacks permeating any industry that should require talent to get the job in the first place!

Frankly the show can be as derivative and unoriginal as hell, but I'll still appreciate it if it shows talent. Just because talent is much harder to find than "originality" in this day and age.

Also I didn't make that quote. I just saw it on IRC and it really spoke to me, so I made it a signature. It really helps when it comes to topics like this.

Semper games.

I don't like post 9/11 world. I never liked post 9/11 world, and I doubt there will ever be a point in my life where I "get" post 9/11 world (including what seperates a great topic from a shit topic in that god-forsaken place).

I figured I might as well admit that now. It'd be nice if there was someway I could learn why this is the case, but that kind of introspection seems counter-intuitive to the whole idea of post 9/11 world in the first place.