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Vesper

#41 March 04, 2008, 05:20:12 pm

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Quote from: Cho on March 04, 2008, 05:12:38 pm

Yeah, people who are high on pot never do anything bad or engage in any dangerous behavior.

yeah, people who are not on drugs/alcohol never do anything stupid either

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#42 March 04, 2008, 05:23:25 pm

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Quote from: Vesper on March 04, 2008, 05:20:12 pm

yeah, people who are not on drugs/alcohol never do anything stupid either

Yeah they never steal my shit and sell it and pretend they gave it back to me and I somehow mysteriously lost my own fucking huge Xbox in my closet.

(this scenario was marijuana btw, legal or not wouldn't have mattered when someone's stealing to pay for it)

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Cho

#43 March 04, 2008, 05:33:15 pm

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Quote from: Vesper on March 04, 2008, 05:20:12 pm

yeah, people who are not on drugs/alcohol never do anything stupid either

I know right?

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Ryan

#44 March 04, 2008, 11:25:42 pm

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Quote from: angry black man on March 04, 2008, 07:21:06 am

Because when I say rehab, I don't mean AA meetings where everyone sits in chairs and talks about how much their lives suck. For serious patients, they strap you to a bed and make you sweat out the drug. I can't speak from experience, but I'd much rather have the basic freedoms of prison life than being confined to a rack for a month. People who normally go through withdrawl have been known to claw their skin off or slam their heads against the ground. That shit scares me more than anything else.

ahahaha. you don't know shit about rehab, yo.

you realize you can voluntarily leave from rehab clinics.. right?

you also.. don't really know shit about drugs at all i guess. withdrawl symptoms vary heavily depending on the drug. they also happen whether you go to rehab or not so i still am not seeing how rehab is in any way comparable to prisons!!

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#45 March 04, 2008, 11:28:31 pm

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Quote from: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 01:05:57 am

I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.

Quote from: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 01:05:57 am

I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.

Quote from: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 01:05:57 am

I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.

Quote from: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 01:05:57 am

I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.

Quote from: Jeff on March 01, 2008, 01:05:57 am

I am only saying this because marijuana charges are a huge bulk of new prisoners every year last I heard, not to start a topic about marijuana legalization.

God dammit, people.

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#46 March 04, 2008, 11:30:41 pm

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sorry man we'll keep that in mind next time substantially larger and larger texts have swayed my decision to discuss something the topic is currently discussing that is in fact relevant to the op

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#47 March 04, 2008, 11:47:27 pm

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Quote from: Cho on March 04, 2008, 05:12:38 pm

Yeah, people who are high on pot never do anything bad or engage in any dangerous behavior.

Doesn't even compare to alcohol.

In most domestic violence cases alcohol or any of the aggressive drugs (meth, speed, coke, crack, pcp) is involved. People that are high or are tripping generally don't beat the shit out of each other. If you looked at cases where a person has beat up/permanently disabled/murdered his friend/co-worker/wife/children I'll bet your ass in 80-90% of the cases they find alcohol or either of the beforementioned drugs in his blood, and never psychedellics (apart from pcp which is somehow a psychedellic??).

I'm not saying people that do drugs aren't criminals. A lot of them are. And they'll steal and loot to sustain their use. But I think doing something wrong so they can earn money for a drug and doing something wrong that's a consequential action of being on a drug are two completely different scenarios and that's where you need to look at what drugs cause the most or least harm, and of course the possibility of developing a habit or addiction to the drug.

People who steal to be able to buy weed and/or hash are fucking idiots and are idiots to begin with. People who steal to be able to buy coke/speed/meth/heroin are fucking idiots but might've been good people to begin with. That's how I see it anyhow, considering the fact weed/hash isn't actually very addictive, so anyone who steals to buy it is less ADDICTED to it and more HEY I DON'T GIVE A FUCK I'LL BETRAY MY FRIENDS TO GET HIGH FUN 8)

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#48 March 05, 2008, 01:10:24 am

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In most domestic violence cases alcohol or any of the aggressive drugs (meth, speed, coke, crack, pcp) is involved.

Saying that is akin to saying that most crimes in the United States are perpetrated by African Americans. You'd be surprised by the number of physically abusive households fall into the "Upper-middle class white family" demographic and how rarely it involves substance abuse.

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Doesn't even compare to alcohol.

Also, before we try to get this back on track, I wanted to point out that saying "Alcohol is so much worse and it is legal!" isn't a very effective pro-pot argument. It takes the focus away from why pot is good and should be legal, and puts it on booze and why it should be illegal.

Back on topic:
Yeah, the 3-Strikes Rule is pretty shitty, considering the third strike is usually possession of pot.

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Finality

#49 March 05, 2008, 04:33:21 am

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Quote from: Ryan on March 04, 2008, 11:25:42 pm

ahahaha. you don't know shit about rehab, yo.

you realize you can voluntarily leave from rehab clinics.. right?

you also.. don't really know shit about drugs at all i guess. withdrawl symptoms vary heavily depending on the drug. they also happen whether you go to rehab or not so i still am not seeing how rehab is in any way comparable to prisons!!

He's right about the rehab thing. The whole "strap down and sweat it out!" is only in movies. The only way you'll be forced into some type of facility is if you are medically determined to be a danger to yourself or others due to your drug habit, not because you decided to commit a crime while high. That does not merit rehab, that'll get you jail time because blaming a drug for your fuck ups is stupid because it was your fuck up in the first place that got you addicted. The person can be the hugest addict and steal shit all the time, and still not be forced into rehab even after multiple calls. I know all of this from experience, sadly. A medic even told me there's no way for someone to be admitted as long as they are able to show they have some sense left in them (through correctly answering questions such as their name, address, birthday, etc.) even after they arrived at the person's house and the person was having trouble standing or even speaking.

EDIT: Also... there is no way you can compare prisons to rehab facilities. Have you ever seen a rehab clinic? It's not bare rooms with no freedom. They typically have sport fields, pools, and nice scenery. This is all so the patient can many activities to keep themselves occupied. Drug rehabilitation and social rehabilitation have very different approaches.

Last Edit: March 05, 2008, 04:40:29 am by Finality