Gotta say I'm loving this game.  Though I hate those stupid chase missions where you have to shoot people while driving through the streets.  Anyone know a good way to get a turkey on the bowling game or is it just pure dumb luck?

holy shit are you kidding.

I'm moving there for law school noooooooo.

Cheapest is $615 on Rent.com. 

I hope there is some student housing shit!

No luck dude.  Dinkytown is the hippest, raddest place in town and rent is twice as expensive there if not more.  *Everyone* wants to live near the university.  I don't know how much the dormitories cost but I remember talking to one student and she told me that the housing fee was more expensive than my rent (DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE).  Your best bet is to buy a house in the suburbs and drive an hour to class (I am not kidding a lot of people do this) and then flip the house when you are done with your education (and the housing market is re-inflated).

Just so you know the rent in Minneapolis is the 3rd-highest in the country outside of New York City, which has laws that intentionally keep the rent high in order to prevent people from moving in and contributing to sprawl, and Los Angeles, which has Hollywood and is warm and sunny so

I'm telling you guys this country is no longer about hatred of minorities but rather hatred of those can't afford their extortionate fucking rent.

ABOUT GTA IV

I haven't really played this game in awhile.  It was one of my favorite games ever until I got to the Italian missions where it kind of drops off and gets boring and the story doesn't go anywhere.  It's just exposition exposition exposition which missions inbetween.  The first half is still excellent though!

I don't know how much the dormitories cost but I remember talking to one student and she told me that the housing fee was more expensive than my rent (DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE).

are you fucking kidding.

argh what the hell am I supposed to do!!!

hey guys I had a topic about this here: http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=5929.0 please help me find an apartment.

actually thats the way in the version I play as well i dont think any of the games have actual bar scenes for random drinking

really. well now i'm confused and i don't know what we've got here!!

either way fuck youuu australia

I just beat the game a little while ago.  Took me three days, and my total time came out to about 26 hours. 

That was one of the best games I've ever played. Niko Bellic is awesome, and the story was way more intense than any previous GTA game.  There were a few moments that left me sick to my stomach.  The worst was a particular scene where I shot a certain guy in the crotch and he fell over in a cutscene, screaming horribly, and then Niko shot him in the head, silencing him.

26 hours, watttaafffaaaaaaack. I'm at like 40 and still got a bit to go.

hey when you do that mission where you have to kidnap grace whoever and packie tells you she's got her car up on autoerotica.com, did anyone else just hear EROTICA.COM and think he was using what it turns out is the name of a car as a euphemism for vagina?  i didn't realize until i went to the website that her NICE PINK FUTZPA or whatever wasn't supposed to be porn.

this mission pretty much turned me off this game in the end. i dunno, it was just too much for old sime.

dunno, i guess it takes a specific mindset, you know? or rather, takes a specific one to be turned off by it. most people probably get into the kind of REVENGE mindset, at least during the prisoner one, i didnt feel bad about it at all. the girl was a real bitch too, and like it was BUSINESS, you know?

i guess part of it is that i still just dont think of the computer characters as humans. i guess if i heard about it happening in real life id feel a lot worse than actually doing it myself in a virtual world.

i guess i kinda liked it because it showed you how shitty the lives of some people can be. niko didnt want to do any of this shit, its just how his circumstances turned out. if he didnt do it, eventually things would catch up with him and he'd be killed. obviously niko's virtual life is a dramatic exaggeration, but i wouldnt be surprised if stuff similar to what we saw has happened irl.

so yeah, looking back certain missions were kinda shitty, and i definitely wont be playing it again until the expansion comes out, but im kinda glad the shitty missions were there, even if it was just to remind you how pretty bad niko's life is.

yeah headphonics

i think what got me was the whole possible girlfriend vibe turning into i'm going to murder you thing. it was really just creepy and i didn't want to finish that mission so i didn't. i wanted to take her home and let her live her life cos niko is written to be an interesting character and killing a woman who wants to date him turns him into pure evil. it was just too much for me, i didn't like it and it didn't even feel like, grimly realistic, it just felt misogynistic. especially with him calling her bitch over and over.

so yeah, looking back certain missions were kinda shitty, and i definitely wont be playing it again until the expansion comes out, but im kinda glad the shitty missions were there, even if it was just to remind you how pretty bad niko's life is.

yeah this is one thing. niko has a shitty shitty life and he obviously knows it. the thing is, he has no boundaries. he gets a little morally superior at times yet you aren't even given a choice to live up to these superiorities. and plus some of the things this game MAKES you do in order to continue the story - that is force - are awful and not just in a comic way. it turns polygons into real people for you then makes you execute them. it's not nice man and it kind of grosses me out, i've turned it off more than once just cos i didn't feel good about what the game just showed me.

Rockstar really emphasized on Nikos personality, like how after you execute Vlad he starts talking about how the war effected him and his life afterwards, all the shit he'd been through, etc.

Man I cant get enough of the Euphoria physics and taking Roman out drinking haha, I like how if someone walks past when Romans wasted and he starts talking shit to people like "Hey what are you looking at, I know I'm handsome" or some shit. 

Wow, what an awesome string of final missions. I probably screwed up the "continuity" (or at least didn't hit STORYMISSION-STORYMISSION-STORYMISSION), because I did the kill Darko mission before Gracie Ancelotti mission. Still, jesus. That was a great last mission, very cinematic. ;( Reminded me of SA's, but way better.

Anyway, I think I remember Jester mentioning that there were two endings? Where's the "change point"? 'cause I double-saved before the work with/kill Dimitri mission, and I'm thinkin' that's the major turning point. Anyone wanna correct me if I'm wrong?

driving drunk is soooooooooo fuuuuuuuun youre missing out

You know what's more fun? Trying to drive to a save point when you're irl exhausted. I kept passing out, and crashing my car, and when I woke up in a stupor, my driving skills were like Blaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhh. Ended up dying and turning it off..

Anyway, I think I remember Jester mentioning that there were two endings? Where's the "change point"? 'cause I double-saved before the work with/kill Dimitri mission, and I'm thinkin' that's the major turning point. Anyone wanna correct me if I'm wrong?

yep, that's the only choice point in the game that actually affects anything.

But alas, now I'm just finishing the Bernie and Gambetti missions before going back to Gerry and I guess I'm finding a little more enjoyable. I dunno, I just feel like there's still a lot missing from the game in some ways. Not that it's not amazing, but ehhhhh.

Did you miss Gerry's missions? Because Gambetti's missions led up to the endgame...so...

Also, I kept getting into the mindset so I was never sickened, saddened whatever, except for ONCE.


At almost the end, where you choose whether to kill/save Darko, I chose to kill him just to see how it would turn out. It really made fucking hate Niko, because went ballistic...and I mean, he's a character and it was my choice, but the way they made it...was gross. He just kept shooting Darko over and over and over and it made me sad, because he was such a pathetic being. For Darko to turn them in for $1000...it was...sad and all the while the scene was just fucking horrid.

Then I reloaded and chose the other option.

i just killed playboy x and i feel kind of bad about it. is there a way where you don't have to choose between the two of them?

nah but i killed him too!  dwayne's just..... he's too much like me i couldnt do it


pluuuuuuuus you get a nice pad after you off pbx so thats handy!

Also if you befriend Dwayne you will get some thugs to roll with you and can help you in missions.