Topic: How have the terrorist attacks of 9/11 changed the world? (Read 1710 times)

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also you won't really find that idea outside the US. there are a few countries with immigration problems but very few seem to have this issue with language. there's a good article from the New Yorker I've posted before here that illustrates this well: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/17/071217fa_fact_lizza?printable=true

try finding that in France :(
We totally get that attitude over here and it is horrendous. Immigrants comming in are like really, really helping our country but brits are too proud to accept that and it's disgusting. So they're all like "Fuck off speak polish in england why not fuck off back to poland!" and they're not seeing how it's racist... and unfortunately it's a view promoted in the tabloids which most of england seems to read.
I've given up trying to speak with my parents about politics, because it comes down to "filthy poles stealing english jobs!" or "they can't be bothered to speak english, it's disgusting, they should be sent back home"
And I swear I'm gunna choke the next person I hear who says "Who won the bloody war anyway?" when talking about europe :(
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I tried to learn spanish when i was working at mcdonalds but that never panned out.

i really wish i had taken spanish in high school (french?? what was i thinking) because i'd like to be able to speak with people who don't speak english. There was this pretty hot girl that worked at mcdonalds who had a huge crush on me but i couldnt imagine going out with her when neither of us speak the others' language. i wonder what its like to have sex with someone who doesn't speak your language?

anyways yeah i think most americans look at it backwards. we have no entitlement to this country and if it just so happens that masses of [SOME ][/SOME] move to the US then we should embrace them and attempt to "merge" our cultures or at the very least accept them, rather than try to fight them off as if this is our country and ONLY our country. What's interesting though is that most americans say "if i moved to another country id learn their language" but thats mostly because

a) they will never ever move to another country and they know this their entire lives
b) if you ever did move to another country you would eventually learn the native language (except in cases like ASEs mom where she never leaves the house or whatever) just from being around people that speak it. this is a MUCH slower process than actually studying a language, but I would imagine most americans would do this unless whatever they were doing in said country required them to learn the language faster.

edit : also a large portion of immigrants work where? drug dealers, factories and crap, and construction. all of these will have a bunch of OTHER people of their ethnicity working there so they are never just shit out of luck. Something like ASEs mom which WC seemed to indicate that she worked in a factory or something? but she's polish and there arent exactly an influx of polish immigrants like there are mexicans. I dont think anyone here is talking about those kinds of immigrants, because it'd be pretty ridiculous for the relatively tiny polish, korean, etc groups to demand all our signs and automated telephony systems offer their languages as well. For some reasons americans have this false sense of entitlement, but really the united states' "official" language(s) are "english and spanish" now PERIOD.

edit2: you know the more i think about it if you look on smaller localized regions, you have large concentrations of ethnicities. im probably wrong but it seems like the florida area (florida is a worthless state if you ask me. i have no desire to go there i just imagine it being hot and everyone's wearing tanktops and rollerblades and it smells of wicker, sweat and sunscreen) has lots of cajuns/haitians (french speakers) and maybe the northern area has area of high canadian populations (uh french too i guess but most canadians speak english i bet). because really its not like mexicans are INVADING THE US ARGH they are really only localized the southwestern states anyways. I don't know what to think anymore can someone straighten this out for me?
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yes coulombs are "germaine", did you learn that word at talk like a dick school?
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edit2: you know the more i think about it if you look on smaller localized regions, you have large concentrations of ethnicities. im probably wrong but it seems like the florida area (florida is a worthless state if you ask me. i have no desire to go there i just imagine it being hot and everyone's wearing tanktops and rollerblades and it smells of wicker, sweat and sunscreen) has lots of cajuns/haitians (french speakers) and maybe the northern area has area of high canadian populations (uh french too i guess but most canadians speak english i bet). because really its not like mexicans are INVADING THE US ARGH they are really only localized the southwestern states anyways. I don't know what to think anymore can someone straighten this out for me?

your idea of florida offends me  :sad:​  i've actually been freezing my ass off for the past few weeks.  I never see French people here, and especially don't hear the language spoken. 

Ever since Hurricane Ivan, Dennis, and Katrina, however, our Hispanic population has skyrocketed.  It's definitely not just a southwestern thing.  You'll be hard-pressed to find a construction crew without a Hispanic dude, some crews consisting of nothing but Hispanics.  A lot of them are obviously fresh from beyond the border, as they don't know a word of English.  Some of them have wacky haircuts haha.
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ahahah, I like how everyone thinks ASE's mom is this weird polish shut in making sausages out of leather.

pretty sure she's normal guys I was just fucking around and I guess he didn't reply yet!
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edit : also a large portion of immigrants work where? drug dealers, factories and crap, and construction. all of these will have a bunch of OTHER people of their ethnicity working there so they are never just shit out of luck. Something like ASEs mom which WC seemed to indicate that she worked in a factory or something? but she's polish and there arent exactly an influx of polish immigrants like there are mexicans. I dont think anyone here is talking about those kinds of immigrants, because it'd be pretty ridiculous for the relatively tiny polish, korean, etc groups to demand all our signs and automated telephony systems offer their languages as well. For some reasons americans have this false sense of entitlement, but really the united states' "official" language(s) are "english and spanish" now PERIOD.
first of all steel is gay because he made it sound like my mom is a slave at our house (which isn't true at all (only on sundays))

But yeah, she doesn't "go out" very often in the sense that she will go somewhere with english-speaking people. A lot of people at her job (yeah its a factory) are foreigners too, so when she talks to them she is getting a second-rate lingusitic education by learning broken english and wrong grammar! And, as is probably the case with other immigrants, those who DO speak English have gotten a huge whiff of that AMERICAN PRIDE smell and treat her like shit (ex. they take the easy badges and give her the hard ones so when she is doing piecework, they end up getting paid more for doing more pieces/hour OR they will just ignore her when she has questions or even just WANTS TO TALK)

You're right. We can't expect America to conform to 20 different emigrating nationalities, but when you have 40 million people speaking the same language (Spanish) it makes sense to work with them! As I said, it is beneficial for immigrants to learn the official language and so TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY most immigrants do! Very few immigrants are going to say "Screw English. All of my friends speak Spanish so I will get along just fine for the next 30 years" because there will be hundreds of instances every day where communicating in English will benefit you in one way or another.
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are...are you saying because people you associate with agree with you, you can't be a bad person?

christ, inbred hicks only associate with inbred hicks, that doesn't mean they are right!

you can keep saying "I only meant it's their responsibility" and that doesn't mean anything. of course it is. and guess what, they are learning English. that doesn't mean that companies and communication can't embrace bilingualism as well. it's helpful to everyone if they have the option to press 1 for English or 2 for Spanish and unless you're claiming all you wanted to do was state a fact we all knew and you have no opinion at all about people who speak Spanish more and better than English (the examples you've brought up indicate that this is not the case), then I don't quite follow why you have a persecution complex.

Ok, this is EXACTLY what I mean. I said THIS-I have never been accused of even beening a big poo-poo head.

I DID NOT say that they all agreed with me. Some don't/didn't but my point is they don't accuse me of being a horrible person. They might think my opinion is fucked up AT FIRST, because I may not explain it well AT FIRST, but once I clarify what I mean (like I did in my FIRST POST) they at least respect my opinion.

And persecution complex? Dude, EVERY topic I post in that isn't about movies or games someone comes in and attacks me and my opinion. I'm sure YOU are responsible for at least 25% of them too! I mean fuck, someone called me stupid because cell phones cost money and I got the warn for telling them to fuck off!


And how can you say I am BACKPEDALING when I clarifed EXACTLY what I meant in my FIRST post. I provided that ONE example ONLY BECAUSE ASE portrayed all foriegn speaking people as dirt poor workers. I was saying "No, I have witnessed wealthy foriegn speaking people this is what I saw".

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also you won't really find that idea outside the US.

And that is just incorrect. I know people who are mexican but because they were born in America were treated like shit when they went to visit their grandparents in Mexico.

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And how can you say I am BACKPEDALING when I clarifed EXACTLY what I meant in my FIRST post. I provided that ONE example ONLY BECAUSE ASE portrayed all foriegn speaking people as dirt poor workers. I was saying "No, I have witnessed wealthy foriegn speaking people this is what I saw".

what the fuck dude that whole story was just "UGH THIS DUDE MADE HIS KID SPEAK ENGLISH FOR HIM, ALSO HE WAS RICH"

the point of that story wasn't to point out that they were wealthy, the point was to show that UGH WHY CAN'T HE LEARN ENGLISH HIMSELF
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actually I'll let it go because if I can believe anyone would agree with a right wing racist bumper sticker and construe it as a helpful suggestion instead of xenophobic propaganda, and then completely fall on his face while trying to elaborate, it would be Dark Angel.
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Right so this is just basically you guys calling me a liar. Well whatever. I'm not lying.

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MOVING to another country, not just visiting it.
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plenty of american women have their 4-6 year old kids go ask for marlboros. he didn't speak the language, or he didn't speak it well enough to ask for pizza and tokens, so he got his more fluent child to do it for him.

what is the problem here? that it's embarrasing to have children speak a language better than you?

isn't it more embarrasing having a mexican who can't speak english wearing a leather coat and gold necklace see you working in a pizza store?
i am embarrased because there are hundreds of millions of kids that speak chinese better than i do

Right so this is just basically you guys calling me a liar. Well whatever. I'm not lying.
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