Evangel and OrangeO's you know you're not supposed to question scientific dogmata, right? If you do you're either a moron or a troll (that's not my opinion it's GW's).

These are the truths you must NEVER question:

- The universe is expanding
- Scientists never make mistakes
- The equipment scientists use is perfect and free from interference or defects
- Dark matter

To doubt and question any of these is the worst crime against humanity you can commit right now

Uh Inri Cheetos... Are you being serious? Because some of your "truths" are nonsense while others are pretty true.

The universe is expanding: Yes (At least to our knowledge)
Scientists never make mistakes: No

Well if scientists make mistakes couldn't the "expansion of the universe" and this void be one of them?

Well if scientists make mistakes couldn't the "expansion of the universe" and this void be one of them?

Of course there are a lot of mistakes in astronomy (Hubble himself miscalculated the age of the universe, and it was accepted for years before anyone questioned it), but more than one astronomer works on these things.  Most theories, especially the really big ones, are tested and retested by many different people.  It would take some truly serious flaws in ALL of this kind of research for these things to be wrong.

HOWEVER, what most of these astronomers make clear is that the 'known' concepts of the universe are merely what we can determine with what we currently have.  There is a lot of evidence for the Big Bang, and that the universe (ours at least) is not infinite. 

Personally, I believe the universe as we know it did start with the Big Bang, but has been in a cycle forever.  I believe this because I've read many books and articles, and taken classes on the subject (as well as on opposing beliefs) and this just makes the most sense. 

If there's ever a theory that makes more sense, and is as thoroughly researched as the Big Bang, I will be more than happy to jump on that bandwagon.

Yes because some other people had the same conclusion it's absolutely impossible that anything else is also a possibility.

There is a lot of evidence ... that the universe (ours at least) is not infinite.

No there isn't.

It's them, do not be fooled. This is the only warning we will get.

my thoughts exactly

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No there isn't.

fffff nice reply

you do realize that this is your exact argument here, don't you?

You're all silly. All stars are holes, letting in the light from outside. The atmosphere reaches around our galaxy in unbreathable porportions, and the big black ball that surrounds us is poked by giant aliens who keep us in a well-lit room.
That's my fool-proof theory!
(actually that's a complete fabrication. Not a scientist; just a liar)

it's hell ,satan lives there

fffff nice reply

you do realize that this is your exact argument here, don't you?

No, I only said it because there really isn't anything that suggests the universe is finite. The scientists still have no idea if it is or is not finite. They've never encountered the "edge of the universe" and since light travels at a finite speed there may be things that are so far away the light they emitted will never hit us or the scientists's telescopes.

ESA: Is the Universe finite or infinite?
 
Joseph Silk: We don't know.

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMR53T1VED_people_0_iv.html

There is no evidence that the universe is finite. I don't know where you people would get that idea from. But nice try velfarre.

I wasn't trying anything other than to point out that your argument before this post was "NO IT ISN'T"

Not that it really matters because you're just a big troll anyway but it's great that you're trying to disprove scientific evidence with what is essentially "NUH-UH!!!"

Inri is right not to reject the idea that scientists might all be wrong, because their equipment isn't infallible.

But in the current context, until we actually get arguments to have a reasonable doubt of consensuses like this, simply saying "they could be wrong" is worthless. If we ever find conflicting results that make us doubt past observations, then it warrants wondering if our equipment works right. Even if it did turn out that all of our equipment and calculations were wrong somehow, the claim they are wrong remains worthless today, since its right now not based on any logic other than it being a possibility.

Baseless rejections like this is a dangerous arguing path, that can only lead to some sort of absolute rejection of everything. Like, technically maybe you aren't even awake right now, and maybe that your whole life until this point was a dream! You cant prove you aren't dreaming right now any more than scientists can prove their telescopes and equipment work right. You have to simply assume its not the case until you have at least a reason to think otherwise.

***sex joke

I can't think of anything to add that people haven't already said.  This is kind of interesting though.  It also gets me thinking about things that no one knows for sure.  I mean it's not like scientists have a marker at the edge of the universe that they can look at and see "Okay the universe is bigger" or "Oh shit, where'd the marker go?! The universe is shrinking!"

Yeah, this isn't a black hole.  Black holes have mass, but this hole has no mass. 

I love when things like this are found, because they force astronomers to reassess their ideas of how the universe works.  It's going to be a long, long time before we have everything figured out.

Eh, I seriously doubt we'll ever figure everything out. If we do, it would only be figured out as it appears to us. So what? Big deal. There's just a very large region of space with nothing in it. How is that at all interesting? Black holes at least distort space and time and all that jazz, this is just a big fucking empty lot. Cool!

Evangel and OrangeO's you know you're not supposed to question scientific dogmata, right? If you do you're either a moron or a troll (that's not my opinion it's GW's).

These are the truths you must NEVER question:

- The universe is expanding
- Scientists never make mistakes
- The equipment scientists use is perfect and free from interference or defects
- Dark matter

To doubt and question any of these is the worst crime against humanity you can commit right now

And so...you have a better conclusion, I suppose?

This isn't something abstract like religion or morality we're dealing with here, it's fucking science. We accept whatever the Lords of Science  say until they go "Uh whoops, we fucked up, let's change that." And then accept the change.

If a scientist says something, forgive me if I'm inclined to believe it because he's made it his life's work to study this shit. I guess I should just question EVERYTHING so I can seem mysterious and hardcore.

I mean if you have a beef with something a scientist says, study it yourself and try to understand it more, but if you're not really willing to do that and just question things for the sake of being ANTI, you don't really have a case.

No pastryface I don't conclude anything I just wait until they're 100% sure about the things they discovered instead of automatically accepting anything they say as TRUTH