Jone LETS TALK ABOUT PRESS & FREEDOM Woman Pried From Boyfriend's Toilet After Sitting on It for 2 Years (Read 1333 times)

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yeah a country that allows public humiliation of people sure is a healthy democracy 8) wtf???

For non-public figures it's illegal here to publish the names without their consent or before they have been convicted (proven guilty) in a crime, in a matter that would 'cause humiliation on their parts.

You can't have true freedom of the press if you worry about how people might feel after you publish something.
Besides, it was public record.  They didn't print anything that people couldn't look up themselves.
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most press people tend to hold off on rape victims and that kind of thing out of respect but I'm not sure if there's a law against it. I don't think there is.
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I was thinking it would be more like Juno. You know, "I'm a quirky nonconformist! I live in a bathroom!"

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yeah a country that allows public humiliation of people sure is a healthy democracy 8) wtf???

We use shame as a deterrent.

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most press people tend to hold off on rape victims and that kind of thing out of respect but I'm not sure if there's a law against it. I don't think there is.


It'd be a violation of the First Amendment. If the name of the accuser can be obtained lawfully, they can run it. They usually don't because I think they'd be inviting an emotional distress suit if they did.
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her legs atrophied? did they have to amputate?

how would it feel to tell people you lost your legs to a TOILET?!?
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Man, muscles only atrophy when you don't use them AT ALL. Does this mean that she was sitting like a fucking statue?
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it's actually pretty easy

Haha, I remember that story you told surprisingly.  Luckily, this has never happened to me.
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how would it feel to tell people you lost your legs to a TOILET?!?

Man, tbh, I don't know how many people she'd be able to tell. Sitting on the shitter for two years kinda cuts off contact with most people ;/

EDIT: Oh, it's a news article. I guess my post is kind of redundant then!
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Man, tbh, I don't know how many people she'd be able to tell. Sitting on the shitter for two years kinda cuts off contact with most people ;/
i doubt she'll be telling many people, considering she's agoraphobic.
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You can't have true freedom of the press if you worry about how people might feel after you publish something.
Besides, it was public record.  They didn't print anything that people couldn't look up themselves.
Thought experiment: if a the press publicly humiliaties people that stray too far off from the mass without being criminals or doing other people harm, does it sound like a Freedom-loving country?

Idk, I thought freedom was all about people living their lives as they wanted without being persecuted by anyone (including the press!!) as long as they're not breaking the law?


And there's tons of shit freely available to anyone willing to look it up (and knowing what to look for). 80% of journalism is filtering out what is interesting and suitable for the general population and printing it. Printing the persons name in this case is clearly not a divine "FREEDOM OF THE PRESS"-act (it's not exactly WATERGATE) but rather about lacking press ethics.
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Thought experiment: if a the press publicly humiliaties people that stray too far off from the mass without being criminals or doing other people harm, does it sound like a Freedom-loving country?

Idk, I thought freedom was all about people living their lives as they wanted without being persecuted by anyone (including the press!!) as long as they're not breaking the law?


And there's tons of shit freely available to anyone willing to look it up (and knowing what to look for). 80% of journalism is filtering out what is interesting and suitable for the general population and printing it. Printing the persons name in this case is clearly not a divine "FREEDOM OF THE PRESS"-act (it's not exactly WATERGATE) but rather about lacking press ethics.

You're right, we should have the government FORCE ethics on the press by telling them what they can and can't print.  Now THAT'S FREEDOM!

Edit: Somehow I don't think this guy has been thinking "what if they print my name in the paper for this..." for the past two years.
Last Edit: March 14, 2008, 02:06:05 am by Man-O-War
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Freedom of Press equals the right to humiliate people then? That's what you're saying?

With freedom comes responsibility (hey cliche) and I'd say humiliating people like that is the complete opposite of responsible journalism, and I'm pretty sure the Franklin brothers would roll in their graves if they knew that's what the press is doing these days.
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well you know it would help if news people had any sort of value system or ethics to begin with
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Freedom of Press equals the right to humiliate people then? That's what you're saying?

With freedom comes responsibility (hey cliche) and I'd say humiliating people like that is the complete opposite of responsible journalism, and I'm pretty sure the Franklin brothers would roll in their graves if they knew that's what the press is doing these days.

no they wouldn't. if it's in the public sphere in some way, and any member of the public can access it, yes, the press can print it. many of them have the moral responsibility not to, but legislating it would be antithetical to the spirit of the Constitution.

the problem is, and this isn't an exaggeration but a reality that has been repeated many times in history, countries that limit the press from releasing names based on d-notices or whatever often use them with political issues and thus make their own administration look better.

so yes the press has the right to humiliate people, because this right is one of the few watchdogs to keep the government in check!
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Freedom of Press equals the right to humiliate people then? That's what you're saying?

With freedom comes responsibility (hey cliche) and I'd say humiliating people like that is the complete opposite of responsible journalism, and I'm pretty sure the Franklin brothers would roll in their graves if they knew that's what the press is doing these days.
yeah the freedom of press is protected a lot, as well as some types of speech.

libel and slander aren't protected but there's no prior restraint so you can't stop it before it is said. also, in those cases you most likely have to prove "malicious intent" which is extremely hard to do, even if it seems obvious.

oh and "hate speech" is protected, which that might work in certain cases.
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Considering the fact that the United States press is under more restrictions than my country I'd say freedom of press is actually pretty INDEPENDENT from whether you are allowed to name people getting negative attention without their consent. The story would be the same if his name was NOT included, wouldn't it? I mean considering 95% of all news stories are anonymous it doesn't really matter for the sake of the story does it!! I mean, fuck, the story is sensationalist bullshit to begin with!

I mean shit, wasn't it long ago some journalist got JAILED for not naming her source in a huge federal case in the US? Wasn't it long ago some blogger got JAILED (again) for not giving up his film from the G8 demonstration? Didn't the US send an Arab journalist to fucking GUANTANAMO over some article that he wrote? Aren't major US corps shitting all over other countries' freedom of press, helping the governments to locate bloggers so they can be jailed/executed?

I mean shit, USA is probably the only western country I can think of that sends people to prison over their journalistic work. Yet, there's no one protecting the privacy of ordinary people from the BEACON OF FIRE THAT IS FREEDOM OF PRESS yet there seems to be a huge fucking glass dome protecting all the politicians. I mean shit, just look at your good-ol' war in Iraq. I remember the papers in Europe read for six months BEFORE the invasion about how US government chose to overlook real, solid information and yet chose to go to war (this was before the news that Bush KNEW there were no nukes tho). And US news sites? All filled up with the nukes in Iraq, I even remembered Norwegian papers had an article on the bullshit articles that ran in the US about how USA HAS FOUND THE NUKES shortly after the invasion which turned out to be a pretty big hoax!!

Now you listen to me, boy, I live in one of the countries that has the farthest-reaching freedom of press of all countries, but we do prize the privacy of our citizens greater than a fucking FUNNY/SCANDAL ARTICLE. Even recently, one of the most notorious criminals in the history of Norway got caught and is being charged (with extremely solid evidence, including 3 DNA traces) about how he sexually abused kids for 30 years, and yet NO NEWS SOURCE SO FAR (3 months since he was caught) has stated his name. Does that stop him from being charged? NO! Does that mean the newspaper won't touch the case and let everyone know what's up with it? NO! Is the information actually readily available for anyone who wants to know? Yes it is, I actually managed to find his identity after 30 minutes of googling and YET WHOA IN A COUNTRY RATED HIGHER WHEN IT COMES TO FREEDOM OF PRESS THAN THE NATION OF FREEDOM USA no public news source has given out his name?

How can that be possible!


American press is a joke. And it becomes an embarrassing joke once people try to stand up for it under the righteous banner of 'freedom'. USA has more skeletons in the closet when it comes to hindering press freedom in modern times than most western countries so... it's like an Iranian blogging on the internet on how his country is tolerant of homosexuals and crying out how RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE is the reason.



edit: I mean shit, consider if press freedom is completely free to survey all people at once and then point out the most ridiculous ones? Isn't that pretty fucking close to a 1984-society? Where the press can do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT? Is that the American dream?? Shittttttt!!
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Considering the fact that the United States press is under more restrictions than my country I'd say freedom of press is actually pretty INDEPENDENT from whether you are allowed to name people getting negative attention without their consent. The story would be the same if his name was NOT included, wouldn't it? I mean considering 95% of all news stories are anonymous it doesn't really matter for the sake of the story does it!! I mean, fuck, the story is sensationalist bullshit to begin with!

I mean shit, wasn't it long ago some journalist got JAILED for not naming her source in a huge federal case in the US? Wasn't it long ago some blogger got JAILED (again) for not giving up his film from the G8 demonstration? Didn't the US send an Arab journalist to fucking GUANTANAMO over some article that he wrote? Aren't major US corps shitting all over other countries' freedom of press, helping the governments to locate bloggers so they can be jailed/executed?

I mean shit, USA is probably the only western country I can think of that sends people to prison over their journalistic work. Yet, there's no one protecting the privacy of ordinary people from the BEACON OF FIRE THAT IS FREEDOM OF PRESS yet there seems to be a huge fucking glass dome protecting all the politicians. I mean shit, just look at your good-ol' war in Iraq. I remember the papers in Europe read for six months BEFORE the invasion about how US government chose to overlook real, solid information and yet chose to go to war (this was before the news that Bush KNEW there were no nukes tho). And US news sites? All filled up with the nukes in Iraq, I even remembered Norwegian papers had an article on the bullshit articles that ran in the US about how USA HAS FOUND THE NUKES shortly after the invasion which turned out to be a pretty big hoax!!

Now you listen to me, boy, I live in one of the countries that has the farthest-reaching freedom of press of all countries, but we do prize the privacy of our citizens greater than a fucking FUNNY/SCANDAL ARTICLE. Even recently, one of the most notorious criminals in the history of Norway got caught and is being charged (with extremely solid evidence, including 3 DNA traces) about how he sexually abused kids for 30 years, and yet NO NEWS SOURCE SO FAR (3 months since he was caught) has stated his name. Does that stop him from being charged? NO! Does that mean the newspaper won't touch the case and let everyone know what's up with it? NO! Is the information actually readily available for anyone who wants to know? Yes it is, I actually managed to find his identity after 30 minutes of googling and YET WHOA IN A COUNTRY RATED HIGHER WHEN IT COMES TO FREEDOM OF PRESS THAN THE NATION OF FREEDOM USA no public news source has given out his name?

How can that be possible!


American press is a joke. And it becomes an embarrassing joke once people try to stand up for it under the righteous banner of 'freedom'. USA has more skeletons in the closet when it comes to hindering press freedom in modern times than most western countries so... it's like an Iranian blogging on the internet on how his country is tolerant of homosexuals and crying out how RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE is the reason.



edit: I mean shit, consider if press freedom is completely free to survey all people at once and then point out the most ridiculous ones? Isn't that pretty fucking close to a 1984-society? Where the press can do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT? Is that the American dream?? Shittttttt!!

wow you really have no idea what you are talking about at all.
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like I can't even begin to refute what's wrong with your post or where to even start, whether with the incredibly small number of cases you've listed or the fact that Norway has nowhere near the amount of news generated from crime or criminal activity or just the general amount of whitewashing you've done so good job you've defeated me by your sheer lack of understanding.
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REPORTERS? PRINTING FACTS THAT ARE UNCOMFORTABLE?

FASCIST STATE RIGHT HERE.
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Well I just think it's pretty ridiculous that people should get their names in the news for living in a toilet for two years, while other people get jailed for defending their sources in a country that's 100% freedom and 10% extra freedom??

idk

But I do know that every couple of months there's a cover story in norwegian press about how american journalists to a greater and greater degree are NOT allowed to say whatever they want, ESPECIALLY considering 9/11-related cases, the bush administration and/or the iraq war.

and considering that, when american press chooses to humiliate a toilet-person publicly, the franklin brothers actually WOULD be proud? really?

and i do know the usa is ranked way lower than northern europe when it comes to press freedom as well, but i do know one of few restrictions in norwegian press is that the privacy of ordinary people is to be protected. yet somehow we score way above usa when it comes to press freedom, and yet when i think its odd that a country that's more restricted when it comes to press doesnt have one of the only (maybe the only??) restriction we have every american member feels to type out how important freedom of the press is??

i think its a joke tbh


edit: yeah i didnt post many links

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Judith Miller was the gal I was thinking of, gonna find the other ones i read I just assumed that shit is nationwide news in the US idk???

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Sami al Haj is the cameraman turned guantanamo-prisoner i was talking about lets see what else we got here

edit3: the blogger from G8 that was imprisoned for not turning in his tape was Josh Wolf...
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