good thing he was never a part of the obama campaign, but hey let's ignore facts

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It is a media driven scandal, completely. They have to balance things so as to not seem impartial (or in the case of fox news be completely racist and ask IF A WHITE CHURCH EXISTED YOU'D ALL BE PISSSSSST) Aside from the simple fact that everything he says is pretty much factually correct (unlike ferraro), one can understand however why obama would distance himself from this, the Clinton campaign is essentially trying to paint (lol) him as some kind of white hater which is kind of hilarious.

dude people who are at least AWARE OF REALITY knows that Clinton has too much of a small chance of winning. But the media will not admit this because the candidacy race is a entretaining show and therefore suspense sells.
So you can see here how there is a lot of sensationalism created by the media

In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.

Is this really so controversial? There's truth to this, having nothing to do with the reasons listed by charlatans like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

I wish Clinton supporters could just see right through the hypocrisy of her campaign. People get wrapped up in so much of the bullshit surrounding the personal lives of candidates! It is kind of a shame though that Obama ever had to associate himself with Wright's obscure little church.

It is kind of a shame though that Obama ever had to associate himself with Wright's obscure little church.

Heaven forbid anyone ever exercise their right to freedom of religion. My dad was raving about it today he was all like OBAMA IS IN A CULT THE REPORTERS SAID PEOPLE FROM THAT CHURCH WON'T EVEN TALK TO PEOPLE AND OTHER MINISTERS FROM THE SAME RELIGION SAID THEY WERE WEIRD. Why does it matter if one of Obama's friends is in a strange religion or even if Obama himself is. He has not shown any propensity to be some sort of religious fanatic unlike some candidates I can mention, why should it matter that, GASP, he has belief in a religion HOW DARE HE.

not gonna say much on the pastor dude, (i pretty much agree with him), but no one ever said shit about mccain/gw bush/any of the other candidates when they were collectively sucking jerry falwells dick.

Heaven forbid anyone ever exercise their right to freedom of religion. My dad was raving about it today he was all like OBAMA IS IN A CULT THE REPORTERS SAID PEOPLE FROM THAT CHURCH WON'T EVEN TALK TO PEOPLE AND OTHER MINISTERS FROM THE SAME RELIGION SAID THEY WERE WEIRD. Why does it matter if one of Obama's friends is in a strange religion or even if Obama himself is. He has not shown any propensity to be some sort of religious fanatic unlike some candidates I can mention, why should it matter that, GASP, he has belief in a religion HOW DARE HE.

Uh, well, wait a second. It still is a shame that he has to associate with any religion, let alone THAT particular religion. It's a shame because the media points out the stupidity of those that lead his church and unfortunately he gets connected with it. That is what's shameful, not the fact that he's just apart of it. Candidates must choose to be part of a religion, otherwise I think their chances at candidacy are lost, and indeed I think it goes without saying that it's TOO BAD that Obama had to choose this bizarre one to begin with. Of course he hasn't shown himself to be like Huckabee or Romney or whoever else, he understands perfectly well not to let his religious beliefs get in the way of his political decisions, but that he made himself strategically vulnerable by associating with Wright's lot is still unfortunate.

I take umbrage to your post, sorry.

Have you ever considered that Obama himself is a true believer in christ? Please read Dreams of My Father and The Audacity of Hope.

Also his church isn't some "weird" church at all. The only thing one could consider weird about it is how afrocentric the church is, and it is pretty ridiculous to think it's STRANGE AND ODD for a mostly black parish not to celebrate their heritage.

Also as has been said before hundreds of times, OBAMA'S PASTOR IS MOSTLY CORRECT.

If Obama is having to distance himself from the church, and publicly state that Wright's comments have "pained and angered" him, and that he "vehemently disagreed" with the statements, then I think there's something negative and possibly weird about the church. My point is JUST that it's unfortunate he had to make himself vulnerable by associating with the church, and that he has to defend himself against accusations which have nothing to do with his beliefs as a politician. I am not even ragging on Obama!

It's like I'm not even disagreeing with you, my comment was more concerning the media's infatuation with "bullshit" surrounding candidates.

sup bill oreilly holy shit. Could you... come up with some of your own ideas that don't sound like lines ripped from fox news?

also this was in my local paper this morning:

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2008/03/17/park17.ART_ART_03-17-08_A7_L29L77Q.html?sid=101

kinda hits on why I am getting tired of all the candidates and the whole nomination process in general (and this is the first time through for me. sigh)

My new theory:  Obama was a homeless man on the streets of Chicago begging for spare change.  People heard his cries for change and started blindly following him and supporting him on his quest for change.  Now he's a few steps away from being the leader of the free world.  It just goes to show that anything is possible in America if you're vague enough.

douche and turd sandwich!

Why are you sorry for your opinion?  I think your post is ignorant.  I'm not sorry.

it's called being nice? have you seriously never heard someone say "sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree"?

Why must one read Obama's books to know that he has his head in the clouds and hides behind buzzwords like hope and change?  How vague!  If a nuclear warhead goes off in Tulsa, OK, that would be "change."  I like specific platforms, not vague mantras.  That aside, the "True Christian™" phrase is entirely ignorant.  I assume that you think you are a True Christian™ and everyone else who believes like you is also a True Christian™.  I would assume that people whose beliefs differ from yours are not True Christians™.  Is this a correct assumption?  I will concede that Obama is a Christian.  Anyone who believes that Jesus was divine is a Christian, whether other Christians say they are or not.  However, belief in Jesus has very little to do with making a person a competent leader.  It's entirely inconsequential.  Set aside Jesus when discussing the politics of a church or you will end up in an impenetrable web of tangled theology.  Jesus shit aside, Obama's church is a racist organisation that dwells in ignorance.  Obama's pastor's beliefs in blacks being a new "Chosen People" and black culture being superior to other cultures is not only racist but entirely unrelated to the beliefs of Christianity.

this is far from exclusive to Senator Obama. every presidential candidacy has run on phrases and buzzwords. none of them are hiding; it's just how they sell it. the only people who believe that Senator Obama's platform is hollow and just buzzwords are those who have done no research and fallen into the belief system of the right wing pundits.

you're also wrong in assuming that what Truth meant by true christian was some sort of dogmatic dismissal of other religions. his point was that Obama is not a Christian for political reasons but for personal reasons. that's what true meant in this sense, and I can't help but feel you purposefully set up a strawman about "True Christians" to ignore this.

also you're confusing Farrakhan with Wright, I believe. there was nothing about racism. pride in one's culture, one's OPPRESSED CULTURE, is not racism. I also see nothing about blacks being a new chosen people in the article.

It's not odd to celebrate your heritage.  It's odd to do it in a church.  Aren't churches supposed to be inclusive?  Focusing your ministry on blacks and raising blacks above all other people is divisive and ignorant.  I would argue the same for any church that is white-based.  It's not weird, any more than Christian theology is weird, but it is racist and wrong.  (Clarification, before rabid Obamites jump at me: Obama isn't necessarily a racist, but his church is most definitely racist.)

have you been to a church ever? religion is VERY divided on racial lines. churches are NOT inclusive. hell by the very nature of religion requiring membership, they aren't inclusive. because religion is such an important aspect of culture, many churches are traditionally black, white, or Asian, or whatever. my family is Hindu but only attends the services that Bengalis will be at, not because they are racist but because the way Bengalis pray and "do" Hinduism is different from those of Gujarati or Telegu. religion and culture are tied together, and blacks do have different style churches from whites. it is not odd to celebrate your heritage in one of the few bastions of it left. I'm also not sure why you think his church is racist as opposed to Clinton's or McCain's, which probably will have an almost all white congregation. you keep saying these things, but the article in question doesn't mention them.

Correct?  How so?  Do you think that the opinion that blacks are superior to whites and the myth that Jesus was a zombie are now facts?  I don't want to get too far into a debate with you because you seem like an idiot.

I support Obama for several good reasons.  You seem to support him because you're an idiot who was duped by his "change" platform.

My new theory:  Obama was a homeless man on the streets of Chicago begging for spare change.  People heard his cries for change and started blindly following him and supporting him on his quest for change.  Now he's a few steps away from being the leader of the free world.  It just goes to show that anything is possible in America if you're vague enough.

Also, hundreds of people say that the Earth is flat and the sun goes around the Earth.  Sorry, but truth is not decided by the popular vote.

this is another misrepresentation. the article in question doesn't say that. of course, it's possible he did, but you should link that instead of denigrating Truth for agreeing that America's foreign policy had a hand in 9/11 or that Barack Obama faces a difficult fight because of his race. for someone who supports Obama, you sure were quick to jump to an argument that he has no substance behind him and is only supported by fools. Truth was saying nothing about the nature of truth (heh), he was saying that yes to the statements in the article. don't attribute other arguments to him unless they are in that article!

it's also confusing that you would say Truth is an idiot based on one post, unless you've been lurking, and I say that as the first person to call Truth on his OBAMAMANIA or whatever.

basically welcome to GW and I hope this doesn't dissuade you from posting more, but I wholeheartedly disagree with most of your post!

*listens to Soulja Boy's YAAAAH*

LOOK WHO'S TALKING.

I didn't say I did it, but it's not inconceivable that Truth would!

yeah i got to say may have smirked a little bit when i read that too!

Why are you sorry for your opinion?  I think your post is ignorant. [/Quote]

Whoa whoa whoa, excuse me for having some tact in my political discussions (something i've been trying to improve upon)

 

I'm not sorry.Why must one read Obama's books to know that he has his head in the clouds and hides behind buzzwords like hope and change?  How vague!  If a nuclear warhead goes off in Tulsa, OK, that would be "change."  I like specific platforms, not vague mantras.  That aside, the "True Christian™" phrase is entirely ignorant.  I assume that you think you are a True Christian™ and everyone else who believes like you is also a True Christian™.  I would assume that people whose beliefs differ from yours are not True Christians™.  Is this a correct assumption?  I will concede that Obama is a Christian.  Anyone who believes that Jesus was divine is a Christian, whether other Christians say they are or not.  However, belief in Jesus has very little to do with making a person a competent leader.  It's entirely inconsequential.  Set aside Jesus when discussing the politics of a church or you will end up in an impenetrable web of tangled theology.  Jesus shit aside, Obama's church is a racist organisation that dwells in ignorance.  Obama's pastor's beliefs in blacks being a new "Chosen People" and black culture being superior to other cultures is not only racist but entirely unrelated to the beliefs of Christianity.

Steel is correct, you are referring to Louis Farrakhan, you are confusing the two because Wright said that Farrakhan was a great black leader, which is being taken out of context constantly by the mainstream media. I think that Farrakhan has done innumerable things for the black community and should be praised for them, does that mean that I am a muslim and hate whites? As Steel said this entire post is just one ridiculous strawman after another, you know what i meant about "true christian", I was defending the fact that Obama is religious for any reason other than to dissuade people that he is a "closet atheist" or "closet muslim". Obama's pastor has never said any of these things to my knowledge, and if you know more than me than you must have dug deeper than the information that is readily available.

It's not odd to celebrate your heritage.  It's odd to do it in a church.  Aren't churches supposed to be inclusive?  Focusing your ministry on blacks and raising blacks above all other people is divisive and ignorant.  I would argue the same for any church that is white-based.  It's not weird, any more than Christian theology is weird, but it is racist and wrong.  (Clarification, before rabid Obamites jump at me: Obama isn't necessarily a racist, but his church is most definitely racist.)Correct?  How so?  Do you think that the opinion that blacks are superior to whites and the myth that Jesus was a zombie are now facts?  I don't want to get too far into a debate with you because you seem like an idiot.

Have you ever actually been to a church? The parish I attend is mostly French- Catholic, I grew up in Irish and Italian-Catholic parishes and I don't feel as comfortable because churches are as steel said MOSTLY NOT INCLUSIVE. One of the visiting pastors at Wright's church who is now a member is a WHITE WOMAN and loves the church, she said it feels very inclusive. African Americans have their culture being assimilated more than any other race in this country, I think it's important for them to celebrate their heritage that was brutally ripped away from them. Wright has also never said either of those things so thanks.

I support Obama for several good reasons.  You seem to support him because you're an idiot who was duped by his "change" platform.

"several" good reasons, these strawmans are ridiculous man. You don't know me, this is your first post, and if you had lurked for a while you'd know we've debated policy here many times. I can be considered a little GUNG HO OBAMA, but don't you dare call me uninformed.

My new theory:  Obama was a homeless man on the streets of Chicago begging for spare change.  People heard his cries for change and started blindly following him and supporting him on his quest for change.  Now he's a few steps away from being the leader of the free world.  It just goes to show that anything is possible in America if you're vague enough.

Best troll 08

Also, hundreds of people say that the Earth is flat and the sun goes around the Earth.  Sorry, but truth is not decided by the popular vote.

What? I've never met a person who thought this, I have however met THOUSAND AND THOUSANDS of people who think the earth is round and goes around the sun GUESS YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR

Obama is giving a speech tomorrow addressing race and Wright similar to what Romney did for his religion.

PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) — Far from putting the controversial issue of race behind him, Barack Obama has decided to address the issue head on in a speech Tuesday.

"I am going to be talking not just about Reverend Wright, but the larger issue of race in this campaign — which has ramped up over the last couple of weeks," Obama told reporters in Monaca, Pennsylvania.

Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod characterized the speech, to be delivered in Philadelphia, as "a discussion on race and politics."

"Given the events of the last few weeks, Obama felt it was time to address the issue of race and politics directly, and what it means in our country," Axelrod said.

News of the speech comes days after the Illinois senator formally denounced controversial sermons delivered by his former minister and longtime friend, Jeremiah Wright. The racially-charged remarks came under fire after being the subject of an ABC News report last week.