fighting games don't have depth.

depth as in story and characters, etc. it can definitely have deep complex game play which is why i dont know how you can judge this game without having played it, cause it could have great gameplay, and i think in that case it would be silly not to play it just because it has famous characters or whatever. it could also be total crap though...it still has yet to be seen

King of Fighters has a pretty big story, just no one cares much.

I bet the story is that the card's COME TO LIFE.


Like Yu-Gi-Oh, except instead about mythical creatures in card form coming to life in battles that determine the fate of the world, it's mythical characters in card form coming to life in battles that determine the fate of the world.

I doubt there is any collecting. As far as I know, MUGEN does not support unlockable characters.

aaaaalso this game looks like shit, I think!  I love the arguments people like Mog and Shadowtext make as some sort of apologetic rationale for embracing stupidity and a complete lack of creativity.  Videogames are like a ball and a cup, Mog?  Really?  I guess since it's all just ENTERTAINMENT HEH then movies and novels are also just like a ball and a cup, too.  FUN is all that matters in the grand scheme of things; xXx State of the Union is better than 2001: A Space Odyssey, because the former had a lot of fun explosions whereas the latter was just boooooring lol.  Nothing is more amusing to me than people being self-righteous and condescending about how dumb the stuff they like is, and how they're not bothered by it.  Here's a hint, buddies: That's not a good quality to possess.  Heh... you fools and your TASTES... have fun with that *watches The Condemned*

If, instead of making an awful analogy and comparing video games to some sort of worthless game that is in no way similar beyond sharing a basic level of interactivity and having a common goal of entertainment, you compare it to something a lot closer in nature, like cinema, it becomes almost instantly obvious why this is a dumb idea.  It's called a creative fucking vacuum, and what strikes me as especially hilarious about all of this, is that this is a gamemaking community; you guys above most other types of people should understand and value the creative process that goes into making a game, but instead you act like creativity, vision, a sense of purpose beyond self-indulgence, is an afterthought; unnecessary.  Do you wonder why your games all suck and no one plays them but people like yourself who are looking for more of the same nostalgic trash?  The answer is here.  Games can be fun; they SHOULD be fun, since that's pretty much the point.  But it's not the only point, and I don't understand how this concept escapes you.  If you're talking about BALL AND CUP, yeah, there's not really much else necessary, but video games as a medium, similar to film, should demand a higher level of creativity, or you're just going to see the same old shit.  Am I saying all games should be paragons of creativity with innovative stories or gameplay mechanics?  Nope!  Just that if you're going to make a game, as with ANY OTHER LEGITIMATE CREATIVE ENDEAVOR, the first step isn't, you know, ripping off other peoples' shit.  There should be some basic level of creativity put into it beyond "hey those other guys did this, let's co-opt all their ideas!"

Aside from being sort of gay to take a character out of its context and make it fight other characters who you're doing the same thing to, it also shows that you have an irrational attachment to hollow characters.  Why?  It's weird to me, but not even that big a deal; I just wouldn't want any character I created to be used like that.  But, mostly, it just lacks the fundamental creative insight that anyone should approach making a game with, and you guys being so tolerant and even excited about it really only encourages a further lack of originality.  Do you celebrate fanfiction authors as much as you do legitimate novelists?  Do you celebrate people who trace their artwork as much as legitimate artists?  I don't understand why you people are so accepting of fangames.  It may make them happy, and it may make you happy, but so could something they spent their time making themselves instead of just stealing other peoples' work, and that would also be a legitimate pursuit.  I love how you guys have such huge boners over Chrono that you never stop to ask, "Taking others' shit out of context and throwing it together into some fanboy mishmash for my own obsessive indulgence: is this really what an intrinsically creative medium should be striving towards?"  The answer is no, btw, and by saying YEAAAAH I CANT WAIT GONNA BE SO FUN, you're really giving the impression that it is, and thus making things worse and really doing quite a lot to prevent progress away from a ball and cup mentality and towards a cinematic (or other legitimate form of creatively-rooted entertainment) one.

aaaaalso this game looks like shit, I think!  I love the arguments people like Mog and Shadowtext make as some sort of apologetic rationale for embracing stupidity and a complete lack of creativity.  Videogames are like a ball and a cup, Mog?  Really?  I guess since it's all just ENTERTAINMENT HEH then movies and novels are also just like a ball and a cup, too.  FUN is all that matters in the grand scheme of things; xXx State of the Union is better than 2001: A Space Odyssey, because the former had a lot of fun explosions whereas the latter was just boooooring lol.  Nothing is more amusing to me than people being self-righteous and condescending about how dumb the stuff they like is, and how they're not bothered by it.  Here's a hint, buddies: That's not a good quality to possess.  Heh... you fools and your TASTES... have fun with that *watches The Condemned*