Steel you seem to be upset more with the way I form an opinion than my opinion itself.

I don't claim psychedelic R&B-esque to be a genre by itself, but a generalizing way of describing 13th Floor Elevator's kind of music.
On an extreme, it is like calling Waits sounds "like it was soaked in a vat of bourbon, left hanging in the smokehouse for a few months and then taken outside and run over with a car" instead of saying it is some form of Jazz and Blues. But that sounds too disgustingly general, doesn't it. You could even say Tom Waits "belongs to a genre of its own".
I came up with psychedelic R&B-esque, just in the same way many music journalists come up with their own way of music classification.
I just came up with Redneck rock, and when I said it I didn't pretend it to be a rock for rednecks but a rock that has a pretty dull-minded apathetic song structure, y'know the concept is speed and aggresiveness, full of testosterone.
My line of thought is along the line of how philosophers state that what you earn by senses are of lower 'quality' than that obtain from reasoning. Meaning that stuff that needs mind development to be more RICH than that obtain simply from the senses. And Hardcore is on that level, the sensitive level. That's what I was thinking when I wrote that, I associated redneck's cultureless minds with their appreciation for hardcore's approach directly to the sense. It is all theory.
But I don't have to come to you to tell you exactly what redneck rock is. It is free for interpretation, I just came up with that term.
Most of my post are for free interpretation and do not have a substantial base.
Usually I try to make a point, but it doesn't intend to be right, y'know.

That said, I still think Hardcore is very numb genre. Quite a contradictory proposition, huh?
Hardcore is supposed to bring up all that NRG juice, angst at the system, defiance, attitude and what else. In that sense it is not numb at all. But the music is numb to me, the way the music is created doesn't inspire me in any way, it doesn't draw my attention at all.
When I listen to music, I like it to call my attention. Hardcore music is as much background music as post rock is to me. Both are pretty much in the same level of blandness.

Also, I seem not to know how to write stuff that MEAN SOMETHING. What the hell is this? Because my opinion lacks a solid foundation it doesn't mean it lacks significance. Maybe I'm iconoclastic after all, I disregard pre-established concepts to form my own, I don't believe there is THE RIGHT WAY, THE TRUTHFUL DEFINITION, etc.

P.D: I don't think I quote people, type NO and go.

and Ryan, I should add that I love Bad Brains (i find them to be pretty much out of the norm) and like Minor Threat.

I think the reason no one can ever understand the fuck what you're saying is because you think too much like a spanish speaker. You speak our language with our words but you do not use them the same way we do and you do not phrase thoughts in a way that is intelligible to many of us. I say this because any time you write a moderately lengthy post it takes me forever to even figure out what you are saying because everything is so highly convoluted and goofed.

that said I dont know anything about hardcore except that I definitely cant stand metalcore. I would ask what bands I should try so that I can have a balanced opinion of the genre but I think this topic has hit that... so I should just read the early posts I guess.

dis is very informative topic...

i remember being a huge saetia fan back in the day, but i can't stand that kind of music anymore; mostly the shrieking. wasn't billy werner the vocalist, not greg drudy? either way, his singing/screaming in hot cross was better imo.  maybe i am not #1 screamo fan after all.....

also you did not mention welcome the plague year, what. though they weren't really PIONEERS or whatever, they were excellent!!

I think greg drudy was bassist, and that is probably what I meant to type. but, either way, yes billy werner was vocals.

and, I didn't mention welcome to the plague year because I didn't want to make too big of a list.

I probably should have put pg.99 up there because they pretty much are pioneers too, but whatever.

Yeah, Sheps posts read like something out of babelfish.  I can usually piece em together, but not 100%.

i should probably get this topic renamed to totw: shep can't post english

Nah, most of it is still about hardcore.

maybe WC.. although I am also a very lazy kind of typer. I mean, I know when I am writing kind of strange and don't care and just keep going

Fun Fact: My spanish teacher at school once told me I write my spanish essays as if I were to be translating from the english.
Fun Fact 2: Several people asked me if I happened to be a north american, due to my weird accent?= I really dunno because I have no perception of it's unusualness.

here I will post some more christian hardcore lyrics

The Devil Wears Prada - Don't Dink and Drance:


I would like to burn this down.
I would like to see it melt in yellow and observe a cloud of blackness rise.
Watch it rise as it is wrath himself.
Watch it rise.
Crows will flee the scene as if to remind me how long it's been since I have seen a dove.
Melt in yellow as I do.
Exhaustion and mother of tribulation.
Wound by wound.
I torture myself.
Wound by wound, I will perservere.
Whiteness, present yourself, as I know you are the sky and anchor of my being.
What we've known is like cigarettes.
Formaldehyde fingers.

Norma Jean - Memphis Will Be Laid To Waste


Waltz around the room, with a glaze in your stare.
In your tuxedo suit. I'll give it a name. Lower
defenses. I'll lower the casket. Open the door.
Open the grave. Murder. Now you're doing the waltz with your murderer......
Waltz around the room, with a glaze in your stare.
In your tuxedo suit. I'll give it a name. Lower
defenses. I'll lower the casket. Open the door. Open the grave.
Mediocrity is the killer.

You find yourself helpless. Christ is not a fashion,
fleeting away. fashion...

He laid emeralds in her eyes, oh but I'd
already tried. a bracelet made of gold and scarlet
thread around her wrist. and everything was wrong so we
sang sentimental songs. Oh how seldom we belong but
how elegant our kiss. and we painted crooked lies but we
danced in perfect time to a love so much refined, we
know not what it is until like a dullen wine we pour
into a grief we know before but it's never quite like this. never quite like this.
All I know now is regret, it follows like a silhouette
along the cobblestone behind me, but has nothing to
say except to innocently ask, a voice as delicate as
glass, "Do you see me when we pass?" but I continue on
my way

The Chariot - Kenny Gibler (Play The Piano Like A Disease)


Fight priest, fight.
Take pictures and make "alright" what you have lost.
Give pride back to the ground.
You got "all you want," but you've got a wreck.
Everyone in this whole wide world, wake up and panic.
Fortune wears a red dress, but her bones smell of death.
Panic.
They all stare, but no one seeks.
They all claim, but no one speaks.
They all hear what they want.
Panic preacher, panic.
Beware of these sheep in costume of wolves.
Lies, they come in pairs of two and we only die twice, but for such a long time.
Just because you kiss a lot, that dont' mean you're in love.
Just because you have begun, that does not mean you've won.
Well I was a second son, not born but just once, and all my friends be gray.
The fade out.
They all close the door and no one speaks out loud.
The fade out.
Take my heart, prophet.

This is my experience of hardcore....

about 3 or 4 years ago when I was into post-hardcore/metal-core/whatever stuff I was in a band. We had this promoter put on a gig for us with some apparently quite well known  American hardcore band called OUTBREAK. Becuase I'm from UK it was pretty cool to play from someone overseas, so I was like "cool, where are we playing?"

I was cought off guard when he told me we would be playing at a community centre in a classroom, during the day....

All DIY and shit. It really was not thought out. The room had a microphone on the ceiling detecting noise and it would shut off the electricty if it got to X amount of db. Becuase we were first on, we spent ages trying to take it down or cover it up with cussions. In the end we asked the nice old gentleman downstairs to switch it off. It was pretty funny becuase at the end of the night of THRASHING he came up to the promoter and said he enjoyed the music. The guy was about 70 (not to be age-ist or anything, but it was a bit weird). So we played a fucking awful gig becuase no one really showed up and the P.A. kept on cutting out, then people showed up for outbreak.

The place was packed out! The music was horrible though. I litterally couldn't distinguise any difference between songs. the drums just played bass drum, snare with cymbals throughout. The guitars were just thrashing and the singer was just screaming incoherent shit I couldn't make out. That said, everyone loved it! One song made me laugh. It was about 10 seconds long of just GAHHHH!!!!! and it ended and everyone cheered. It was at that point that I thought that hardcore is 30 year old, extremely elaborate inside joke about making fun of this ridiculous music we make. But I doubt that.

Anyway, there was no stage and the place was really small. What it resulted in was people going into a pit of people with chairs smacking into shit. I saw three people come out with blood all over their face, but the band carried on an encouraged this violence. In fact they thrived off it. A proper fight broke out aswell, which actually was broken up, but it was still pretty mental.

Oh, another weird thing was that one of the other hardcore bands who played that night had a guitarist with no legs. He sort of layed on the ground and played this hardcore shit and everyone was going mental. Watching him play was like watching an episode of Twin Peaks. It was pretty weird, but really dangerous aswell. I'm suprised he didn't get his head stamped on or something.

Anyway, that night I'm pretty sure I got the flavour of what hardcore is about. All these fucking idiots were just smashing into things for no reason and were all like "FUCKING STRAIGHT EDGE!!!!" with X's on their wrists.

My conclusion was that Hardcore is for very violent people who need to get their aggression out of their system by throwing punches at people whilst the band is playing. The crazy thing is, is that if the band wasn't playing and they were doing all that shit, it would result in an actual fight I'm sure. 

It's like the music justifies violence.

wow the hardcore scene sounds insane in the uk.

I've been too a ton of concerts, pretty much every band that I listed in this topic I have seen, and nobody is like STRAIGHT FUCKING EDGE or something. sure they still do the fight dancing and stuff, but mostly everybody is there to have fun and stuff, only tough guy idiots do the fight slam dancing stuff.

honestly the only band that I would understand people doing that stuff to is Dillinger Escape Plan, which is the most intense experience of my life.

i guess i'm the only one who doesn't have any problem reading shepperds posts?

HAHAHA this is OUTBREAK


This is fairly tame compared to when I saw them though. There was no stage and it was about the 10th of the size, like just a small classroom

yeah, I know who outbreak is, they're one of those "tough guy hardcore" bands.


this is dillinger escape plan

pretty much if you are going to see DEP, you know what you're getting yourself into.

and might I add, they have been banned from a venue in virginia because the singer hung from the ceiling and ripped out a good amount of the insulation, and destroyed some of buildings wiring. these guys are no joke haha.

well, generally a crowd wouldn't do that at any concert, it is all in the spirit of fun!

what makes it so bad?

is it that the bands believe in God, and aren't satanic, or that their lyrics aren't about wizards and demons or something stupid that metal bands sing about?

lol don't be a dummy

i hate hardcore after seeing so many hardcore bands live. it's so embarrassing. i enjoy norma jeans second album but seeing them posture live was unbearable. add in SPREADING THE WORD OF JESUS and you pretty much can't get any worse.

that shit looks so awful, ug.

i like a lot of hard core but they are just being ridiculous.