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I'm wishing for the best for you, too, Steel.

I don't know if this helps at all, but given the recent turn of events in the thread, I figure it may lend a little bit more peace to you:
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/heavenly-father-s-plan-of-happiness/life-after-death

Read it if you wish. Good luck again. :)
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i'm not religious at all though! like the rest you can write up to surprisingly wonderful coincidence but what got rid of the FEELINGS? like if i ask an atheist to pray, it shouldn't do anything. it's never done it before!

I wouldn't look too scientifically into it.  I'd say psychologically, you probably felt a release of burdens just by the idea of some guiding force knowing your troubles.  Whether you truly believe that or not is your own choice.  If there ever was a sign from above, holy shit, you just got it.  Any minister or believer of any faith would tell you, that sounds like a complete wake-up call.
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I'm wishing for the best for you, too, Steel.

I don't know if this helps at all, but given the recent turn of events in the thread, I figure it may lend a little bit more peace to you:
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/heavenly-father-s-plan-of-happiness/life-after-death

Read it if you wish. Good luck again. :)

happy mormon future.

I actually did attempt to question what happened and got no answers. like DO I MAKE A BARGAIN. UH IS ANYTHING LISTENING. LISTEN I'M GRATEFUL BUT WHAT DO I DO FROM HERE, ARE YOU JESUS/KRISHNA and nothing. which leads me to believe that even if there is a spiritual force that helped me (and the reason I'm posting about this AT ALL is something clearly did and if it came from inside outside whatever I have to think about what that means) it's not any kind of conventional god.

after this I'm hesitant to just be a dick and say NO NO RELIGION IS RIGHT STILL because who knows I could wake up tomorrow and see the Virgin Mary's genitals flapping above me but none of this has changed my irreligious behavior at all. but it has shaken my attitude of zero spirituality because something happened to me at least neurologically and I have tot hink about it!
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easy answer btw is I'm on a steroid and have had a huge brain surgery and radiation and the combination of all these and stress means giving up a little made me give up more than I should but that all seems just as convenient as saying GOD DID IT.

idk this topic has gone a lot of weird places so I'm okay with a bit of spiritual talk but if anyone wants to do some net research, is there any real scientific proof of ATHEISTS praying and feeling spiritually better? there shouldn't be this being the exact opposite of atheism but how can giving up a little bit, just a little UGH FUCK IT FINE I'LL TRY BARELY, create an effect as alleiviating as this?
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In "Mormon terms", you could be feeling the influence of the Holy Ghost trying to comfort you through your trials.

But that's just an opinion. Besides, I wasn't there, you were the one that felt it. Thus, you get to decide.
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maybe focusing your mind on something else helped relieve the stress?

when you prayed did you actually feel a presence or was it like, "hey I feel better whoop". I think its just more or less because you stopped dwelling on dying but yeah I'm glad you got some good news.

seeing as how praying was supposedly your last option I don't see how your brain could let it fail you.
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There are hollywood movies where this stuff happens All.The.Time, I'll try to dig up some for you..

Nah but seriously, I don't know much about prayers except the "Hai god, here's what I think. Amen.". Was it a prayer like that or did you go a little deeper like, idk some kind of light meditation where you scanned yourself from a third person and stuff? Hah, I'm probably not helping at all since I can only imagine this being some psychological thing like Evangel said.

Also, here's what Einstein though about prayers and I've heard that he was a pretty smart chap :P
http://sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einprayr.htm
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I'd say psychologically, you probably felt a release of burdens just by the idea of some guiding force knowing your troubles.

This would make sense in the light of how people talk about their troubles for hours to deaf bartenders. It might just help to really let it all out, like imagine telling a perfect friend everything that weighs down on you, every single thing. It could work even if you don't actually believe anybody's listening. Like writing a diary, or talking out loud. Your experience sounds pretty intense to be compared to a drunk monologue, but that's best I can come up with.

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Spiritual types would argue that your whole cancer ordeal is a trial from god/God.  It sounds fucked up, but what else would have brought you to this point?  I know "God works in mysterious ways" sounds stupid and cliche, but it's got some merit.  I don't even know what I believe in a spiritual sense, but to ignore your situation would be an act of stubbornness.  I'm not saying you should bow down to a creator at this point, but definitely explore spirituality.  There is a lot more to it than rigid religion and zealots.
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I think a level of spirituality is very healthy either way.  I don't really believe in god or anything like that, but belief in something I think is almost required for a healthy outlook on life, even if its something as simple as belief in yourself.  but prayer in and of itself always helps someway, even if you don't believe in a god, just get your feelings out and your fears always seems to elate people, at least somewhat.

Do some research, I did and found somethings that I found intresting enough.

Check it out, http://moderndeism.com/index.html
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I think that's actually kind of cool that something like that happened.  Sure, it could just be coincidence if it helped make you feel as if a weight has been lifted off your shoulders then don't worry yourself trying to make sense of it... at least not yet anyway... or just pawn that job off to someone else on GW. :P  Even if you might be at that point of "okay, well this happened, what next? Don't want to seem ungrateful, then again is it really what I think it is?" just take that moment of positive influence and look forward to that meeting.
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well for months i've been praying that god would take away the pain and sadness that you feel through all of this and i'm glad that he did yesterday :> i believe that it was god who took away your despair. it doesn't matter to him whether you believe in him or not, he loves everyone. i know it's hard to think about a loving god in the midst of battling cancer, but hey cancer survivors often find god through their experiences so there must be some reason for it. there's lots of people who find god during tough times. while we may think, "why would a loving god give people cancer to begin with?" we still have to realize that he has the power to take it away. i don't mean to try to "justify" 6-year-olds suffering from cancer or anything, but i do think that god has a reason for everything. of course he is sad to see his children in pain. and actually, god does not give people pain, the pain comes from the world, which is imperfect. people are imperfect and make bad decisions. but god lets his words and his love shine through during those times where people are suffering from the world's impurities. so anyway, maybe his purpose for having you experience all of this stuff with cancer is so you can experience god working in your life when the pain is gone. i dunno.
i think that, for me at least, the most convincing evidence for god's existence is the stories of people recovering from awful situations and feeling themselves that it was god who restored them. this past weekend, i also experienced a "lifting" feeling from god, you know. on thursday at 4 in the morning, my parents were called by the hospital saying that my sister had a drug overdose and that she was in very bad condition. she had taken heroin, cocaine, marijuana, adderall, and xanax. she was having heart arrhythmias and not breathing. luckily, her friend (whom she had been with at the time she passed out from her overdose) was able to give her CPR and  get her to the ER quickly. but by the time my parents got to the emergency room to see her, she was already declared medically dead. the doctors and nurses expressed their sympathy and went around muttering about what a shame it was, etc... and then when my sister's friend was standing next to her, petting her hand and talking to her, my sister suddenly opened her eyes wide and "woke up" from being dead. the doctor called it a miracle and he had no idea how it was possible that she was alive. she had been "dead" for 40 minutes. my sister has made a full recovery in the past few days, and may be coming home from the hospital as soon as tomorrow. i had thought my sister was dead, and i was completely depressed. i prayed to god, wondering why this would happen. and then suddenly i felt god lifting me up and i knew everything was alright. it was a weird feeling. that was before i even knew that my sister was alive. so this past week has been an experience for me that i won't forget. and my sister won't either, i'm sure. she felt like it was god who brought her back, even though she hasn't really been a christian or a believer or whatever, not since she was little.
i definitely think that god reaches people through stuff like this. i think you should definitely pray more, and i'll keep praying for you too. :] if you did end up discovering new things about god, hope, prayer, etc. through this, then that would be cool. for now, just be happy that you have new encouragement for your future. stay strong steel :D
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holy shit mkkmypet, i read your post halfway and was just about to post a really depressing IM SO SORRY!!! reply.

but woah. i'm glad to hear she is alive and getting better!

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Also steel, that is ridiculous. I'm very glad you have thrown your despair out the window. I'm leaning towards a psychological explanation of your experience, but some biology might have played a role too. I'll let you know if I dig anythin up
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it was me; i took all the pain away.  i can put it in a jar and you can keep it as a souvenir if you like
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This is the best anyone I knew could dig up, and it isn't really all that much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/health/27plac.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=placebo&st=cse
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At least one study has shown that placebos can be effective even when the patients know that they are inert. In a study in 2007, 70 children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder were asked to reduce their medications gradually by replacing some of their drugs with placebo pills. The children and their parents were explicitly told that these “dose extender” pills contained no drug.

After three months, 80 percent of the children reported that the placebo had helped them. Although that study used a placebo in a different context from Obecalp, it did suggest that deception might not be necessary for a placebo to work, said the senior author, Gail Geller, a bioethicist at the Berman Institute of Bioethics at Johns Hopkins.

There was no citation though

Also from the wiki article http://www.leecrandallparkmd.net/researchpages/placebo1.html but the study seems kind of iffy.
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yeah but even a placebo is a pill.

anyways i had some melancholy today when i realized the one guy is really looking more at clinical trials, which is more bottom of the barrel than i liked, but nothing like before when i literally could not move a few times from just despair. i think this dr. bosl is my next best step though; at least i can know why i was rejected from the bone marrow treatment i think and maybe he'll disagree and think it's worth a shot anyways.

i just can't shake CURE from my mind. remission is just not a goal i want to have, you know?
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for me having faith in god is stupid. god having faith in you is how im starting to percieve it. its like were all casts of a soap opera and god is the viewer. a typical soap watcher would have a bunch of fave characters. god, he's different i think. he likes all the characters, no matter who they are. so yeah im a big loser and all but i really think god's a huge fan of mine and he'll root for me come misery. hes prolly rooting for you man. [/cheese]

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like god is a producer and he made the show for his pleasure? who you acting for?
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Steel if there isn't a cure and lving with the Cancer becomes painful and you really start getting miserable, just let it end. Go wild and then just let it end.
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