The Official Metal Gear Solid 4 Topic (remember spoiler tags ppl)

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Eltee

#221 June 15, 2008, 06:59:00 am

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tranq'ing bosses gives you bonuses, iirc.

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Warlin

#222 June 15, 2008, 07:08:50 am

I did ok on this one but his feet are kinda wierd!
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Yeah, I haven't been playing it like I did the MGS, MGS2 allowed me to tranq the enemies, so it was easier, but the controls weren't meant for fighting. In MGS4, it's easy to pick a spot and just pick off enemies with the tranq sniper or a regular sniper and just advance to the next area. So I wouldn't say I've been playing it like the others. Then again, MGS4 really is a new bag. The new direction for some of the gameplay elements is different but it all comes together quite well.

Also, last time I tried to play MGS4's MGO, I lagged out in the first 6 or 7 seconds... Yeah, MGO isn't going to happen for me anytime soon.

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Tweaked_1551

#223 June 15, 2008, 08:40:37 am

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Quote from: Ax_Dude on June 15, 2008, 03:58:09 am

I tranq'd both versions and found out later that you get statues for tranqing the beast.
Didn't Tranq mantis's though, Could not figure out how.

Same here, I tried shooting down both her dolls and attacking her with the sorrow doll (which obviously wouldn't of worked but still had to give it a try) but no luck, as she's not dead, but I don't think using the mantis doll to beat her counts as a kill; so I guess getting the sorrow and/or mantis doll is the bonus. Also lol@Psycho mantis' appearance.

Actually... does anyone know if you beat the B&B corps members without tranquilizing them (lethal take-down), then tranquilizing them when they're out of their suit count as a kill?

Also... Does anyone know how to take down the armored suits at the mansion without killing the pilots of the armored suits? It's right after you track down and rescue Naomi and you're manning Drebin's tank gun. I tried shooting them with my Mosin Nagant but it doesn't seem to do any sort of damage. I can get through this part without getting a kill on liquid easy, naked normal, solid normal but I'm thinking on BIG BOSS HARD or THE BOSS EXTREME modes, it'd probably be pretty difficult without taking down the armored suits.

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HL

#224 June 15, 2008, 08:45:20 am

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Also lol@Psycho mantis' appearance.

god yes. just hearing him be confused by the Playstation 3 is epic. also....RUMBLE IS BACK.

rofl.

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maladroithim

#225 June 15, 2008, 09:13:48 am

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METAL GAY SOLID

Metal Drunk Solid

My favorite game ever

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headphonics

#226 June 15, 2008, 09:26:49 am

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maladroit i know when i said i was worried about you in that other topic i was being 100% sarcastic but i am actually being vaguely less sarcastic when i am saying it this time

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RPG

#227 June 15, 2008, 10:49:12 am

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Quote from: handsome lamb on June 15, 2008, 08:45:20 am

god yes. just hearing him be confused by the Playstation 3 is epic. also....RUMBLE IS BACK.

rofl.

I played the game with a sixaxis controller and he just got angry because he couldn't make it vibrate and then exploded or whatever. Any idea what happens if you have a dual shock 3?

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HL

#228 June 15, 2008, 11:13:05 am

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Quote from: RPG on June 15, 2008, 10:49:12 am

I played the game with a sixaxis controller and he just got angry because he couldn't make it vibrate and then exploded or whatever. Any idea what happens if you have a dual shock 3?

ya like I said he makes it vibrate and says YES RUMBLE IS BACK!!

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DS

#229 June 15, 2008, 12:22:58 pm

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I'd like to ask the same thing as Tweaked_1551 did, is it enough to tranq the bosses after they have shed their skin or do I need to tranq both phases? Also, tranq sniper?? I don't think I got anything like that.

Also yes, the Psycho Mantis part was totally awesome.

To Never Be Known Is The Worst Death

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Supra Mairo

#230 June 15, 2008, 12:40:33 pm

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I wish the dialog would've been more, idk, down to the earth. At times it was just really disgusting like every sentence Naomi said that wasn't medical gibberish was just plain horrible, there was a lot of times when I just thought to myself who the fuck would say so cheesy and awful lines in real life? Like how can you possible put fate and destiny into every sentence you speak with a serious face. Also I really disliked all the light and shadows metaphors and the only redeeming factor in the dialog was the voice acting.

Johnny was really awesome though, you can't go wrong with Johnny.

On other news it looks like MGS 4 has apparently doubled the sales of PS3.

PS. I think the Mosin Nagant is the tranq sniper??

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Marcus

#231 June 15, 2008, 03:25:12 pm

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Man, I can't believe Mei Ling made Captain in 10 years. That's fucking bullshit.

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Supra Mairo

#232 June 15, 2008, 03:50:46 pm

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c-captain.... this is my first tiem.....
its ok.... its first for me too........

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GZ

#233 June 15, 2008, 04:34:38 pm

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I wish the dialog would've been more, idk, down to the earth. At times it was just really disgusting like every sentence Naomi said that wasn't medical gibberish was just plain horrible, there was a lot of times when I just thought to myself who the fuck would say so cheesy and awful lines in real life? Like how can you possible put fate and destiny into every sentence you speak with a serious face. Also I really disliked all the light and shadows metaphors and the only redeeming factor in the dialog was the voice acting.

this. the start of the game was bad but tolerable but as it went on it seriously went into terrible fan-fiction dialog territory.

Quote from: Supra Mairo on June 15, 2008, 03:50:46 pm

c-captain.... this is my first tiem.....
its ok.... its first for me too........

easily 20% of the cinematics in the game were totally unecessary and the game would not suffer at all (arguably much better) if they were deleted.

this game had too many DYING WORDS. this is the biggest cliche basically ever and everyone has dying words that last 5 minutes. sunny could have been completely eliminated from the game as far as i am concerned and this would improve the game greatly but kojima has some bizarre egg symbolism bullshit going on. i also found a lot of parts in the game where snake just STANDS while characters bullshit with him. like when you meet drebin, he acts like an idiot and talks to you for 20 minutes and snake just stands there like an idiot saying nothing. same deal with all 4 beasts, when you break their armour off they spaz out saying a bunch of garbage dialog and snake stands there with his gun pointed to them for 5 minutes not saying a single thing. also so many times in this game you would be STORMED BY BADDIES but they would take a 2 minute break to have a touching dialog scene while the enemies are virtually 2 seconds away from you.

terrible story and dialog and i really can't understand how this is the same guy who made MGS1.

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Marcus

#234 June 15, 2008, 04:45:55 pm

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same deal with all 4 beasts, when you break their armour off they spaz out saying a bunch of garbage dialog and snake stands there with his gun pointed to them for 5 minutes not saying a single thing.

Yeah I raged about this a page back. I can't count all the moments Snake had to kill an enemy but instead of busting out his rocket launcher he just stand there with a pistol and knife and as these killer robots and supermen chat on about manifest destiny or whatever.

Snake is such a tool. I can understand dramatic tension or whatever but there should be some banter going back and forth. Even in MGS1, he would just stand still and listen to people prattle on about conspiracies until they threw a hint about Metal Gear which would prompt Snake to hilariously burst out with METAL GEAR!!!???

Same with the Patriots in MGS2 and the Philosophers in MGS3.

METAL GEAR!!?? DID YOU SAY METAL GEAR!!!?????? *insert weird grumbling/coughing/grunting noise that Hayter makes when Snake is frustrated*

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GZ

#235 June 15, 2008, 06:05:45 pm

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add to the fact half of snakes dialog is him coughing or ARGHEGRH.

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pburn

#236 June 15, 2008, 08:29:31 pm

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WE ARE NOT MEANT TO GO INTO DESTINY

WE ARE BORN AND HERE TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS

NOT THE SINS OF THE FUTURE BUT OUR SINS OF THE PAST

BECAUSE DESTINY AND BY FAITH WE ARE NOT BOUND TO IT BECAUSE

WE HAVE TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS

THAT IS OUR DESTINY

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Supra Mairo

#237 June 15, 2008, 09:09:38 pm

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Quote from: Marcus on June 15, 2008, 04:45:55 pm

Snake is such a tool. I can understand dramatic tension or whatever but there should be some banter going back and forth. Even in MGS1, he would just stand still and listen to people prattle on about conspiracies until they threw a hint about Metal Gear which would prompt Snake to hilariously burst out with METAL GEAR!!!???

You're right about the METAL GEAR!!!1+??? parts being really hilarious but I dunno man, if I recall it correctly Snake was a lot more uh social in mgs1 and they actually had some discussion that wasn't completely one-sided like it is in mgs4. Like Snake hitting on Mei Ling and going apeshit about Gray Fox and Metal Gear and I don't recall him doing these intense 30 minute listening sessions in mgs1 where he doesn't say a word when someone talks some overly complex philosophical garbage. In fact I don't recall any philosophical bullshit in mgs1 at all but its been like 10 years since I last played it through.

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Marcus

#238 June 15, 2008, 11:59:52 pm

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Quote from: Supra Mairo on June 15, 2008, 09:09:38 pm

You're right about the METAL GEAR!!!1+??? parts being really hilarious but I dunno man, if I recall it correctly Snake was a lot more uh social in mgs1 and they actually had some discussion that wasn't completely one-sided like it is in mgs4. Like Snake hitting on Mei Ling and going apeshit about Gray Fox and Metal Gear and I don't recall him doing these intense 30 minute listening sessions in mgs1 where he doesn't say a word when someone talks some overly complex philosophical garbage. In fact I don't recall any philosophical bullshit in mgs1 at all but its been like 10 years since I last played it through.

He participated in the conversation and was more sarcastic but he still took a back seat whenever a character decided to spill their guts (usually there were a contingency of guards in the next room but hey whatever). He did get really pissed off everytime someone had a "heart attack" and talked to Meryl a lot especially during scenes like when you killed Wolf, Psycho, or Raven (he'd do a little eulogy which I thought was neat). Raiden was actually a dick and constantly interrupted people during their monologues and MGS3 had really short cinemas compared to the other games and the bosses were unfortunately really one-dimensional so outside of the beat downs on Ocelot and smack talk to Volgin the cinematics would be 5 minutes to introduce the villain, make a quick speach, attack PLAY THE GAME.

But yeah, MGS4 Snake is just old and quiet and doesn't care. Normally he'd toss in a snide remark but every scene is 30 minutes of one-sided conversation followed by PATRIOTS?????

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Niitaka

#239 June 16, 2008, 12:13:00 am

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In Japanese, it's more like "Snake, the only way to avoid being destroyed by your destiny is to stand up to it." I'm sure that the translator got confused because she uses the same word ("unmei", for "destiny") twice in one sentence. She does this because they don't have a word for "it" in Japanese (or most other civilized languages aside from English); repeating a word in Japanese is either a way to re-specify the subject or object at hand or a way to emphasize said subject or object in a subtle turn of word play.

That the translator apparently misunderstood the heart of the sentence -- the deep irony of someone suggesting that "while it's impossible to NOT be destroyed by your destiny, if you don't WANT to be destroyed by it, all you have to do is take it like a man" -- and fell back on eighth-grade English composition rules: if all else fails, don't ever use the same word too many times in the same five pages, much less the same sentence! So they used "fate" and "destiny", like they were two different things.

Probably should have been something like "The only way to avoid the fate hurtling this way is to welcome it with open arms." I mean, take a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of liberty every now and then, people. The graphics alone should indicate that this thing is not, you know, a video game representation of a fucking microwave oven instruction manual.

So yeah, I watched that trailer in Japanese, and then in English, and that's how I arrived at the conclusion that MGS4 kinda sucks in English.

I'm........gonna go out on a limb and say that maybe it's the translation that sucks? Not that I think Kojima is the second coming of videogame storytelling but I can't believe some of the ridiculous lines in this game.

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headphonics

#240 June 16, 2008, 01:50:51 am

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man

if the story/dialogue/writing is so bad, why is this game getting tens? fucking reviewers. PERFECT. PERFECT GAME... except for all that bad stuff. i almost want to play it so i can see for myself but i have no desire whatsoever to own a ps3 so!

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