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in any case, you will be hard pressed to find anyone (even kojima himself) who could adequetly defend all the decisions made in this game. as in, how it makes sense even in the game world itself. many people would agree this game is a fan service, and this is already a bad sign. i don't know what you thought of the story, but i can say with a lot of confidence the story has a tremendous amount of flaws and a lot of it is due to appealing to fans and trying to close out the series. just think the MGS series answered 95% of questions in one game, when it was a series that spanned several games and consoles.
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i'm not even going to bother here. i could get into details here but it seems you are pretty satisfied with the story, i'm glad you enjoyed the story but i did not. i think you many people have issues with certain parts of the game and these problems stem from every where (you yourself even). if you look at this topic alone you will find people talking about various things they did not like from virtually all parts of the game. the only thing i will say in response, is that the two biggest cliches in this game are the dying words, and the pausing for minutes during action scenes. i'm aware this is done a lot, but i don't think other movies / games that do this are justified in doing it most of the time either.
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Whatever floats your boat. I edited my last comment btw if you didn't notice.
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i finally finished this game.

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My favourite thing about this game was the

EDIT: You know what the sad thing is though? Despite all that's happened, fanboys will still bitch that the next game isn't about Snake. "Aw, this is going to be so gay, just give us Snake back." Damn son, war changes people.
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I must agree,

As long as the next game's protagonist isn't lame and whiny like Raiden was in MGS2 I'm perfectly fine with it. Speaking of Raiden,
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As long as the next game's protagonist isn't lame and whiny like Raiden was in MGS2 I'm perfectly fine with it. Speaking of Raiden,

if by that you mean really ridiculous and stereotypically anime, then sure!
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Raiden never once complained or "whined" at all during the game and he couldn't because he was programmed (er, trained) to accept orders.  I don't know where the fuck people get this whiny attitude from as Snake has complained more times than Raiden, but I guess people just didn't like his voice actor.  Raiden took down a fucking harrier, a vampire superman, 12+ Metal Gear Ray's, and he took down a dual katana wielding guy in a super suit.  Raiden was a bigger badass than Snake and I can totally understand him becoming some Dragon Ball Z character in MGS4 considering the fact that he was pulling off FEATS OF SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH in MGS2.

I attribute the same thing to Tidus.  The guy complained for maybe two scenes (I'd be pissed too if I found out I was someone's dream and got yanked out of my homeworld) but everyone calls him whiny just because of the voice actor and he doesn't swing a gunblade and wear a purple jumpsuit.
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Yeah I always liked that fact that Raiden was all like I'M ROOKIE and yet he probably kills more stuff dead than Snake ever did even though he's all like I'll never live up to the legendary Solid Snake
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I think the whole dislike for Raiden comes from the fact that you have to play as him in MGS2, and not as Snake, also the fact his appearance in MGS2 is kind of girly. I didn't really mind playing as him though and thought he was a good character; would I have preferred to play as Snake? most definitely.
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I think the whole dislike for Raiden comes from the fact that you have to play as him in MGS2, and not as Snake, also the fact his appearance in MGS2 is kind of girly. I didn't really mind playing as him though and thought he was a good character; would I have preferred to play as Snake? most definitely.

From a story standpoint I enjoyed playing as Raiden much more.  MGS4 pretty much brings up the whole problem with Snake and Kojima's style of storytelling; he uses his main characters as silent protagonists while the side characters babble on about whatever.  It worked for Raiden because the guy had no personality (and he wasn't supposed to) and Snake/Plissken was given room to develop as a character because of it.  If anything MGS2 made Snake more human and I can't imagine the game having the same feeling if you played as him from beginning to end.  Both characters had the same moveset so in the end it all boiled down to who's character model you liked the most.  Kojima threw him in there as a big F.U. to everyone expecting to play as Snake and shit, it worked.
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From a story standpoint I enjoyed playing as Raiden much more.  MGS4 pretty much brings up the whole problem with Snake and Kojima's style of storytelling; he uses his main characters as silent protagonists while the side characters babble on about whatever.  It worked for Raiden because the guy had no personality (and he wasn't supposed to) and Snake/Plissken was given room to develop as a character because of it.  If anything MGS2 made Snake more human and I can't imagine the game having the same feeling if you played as him from beginning to end.  Both characters had the same moveset so in the end it all boiled down to who's character model you liked the most.  Kojima threw him in there as a big F.U. to everyone expecting to play as Snake and shit, it worked.

i agree! snake seemed much more fleshed out in MGS2 compared to 4. he didn't just repeat everything everyone said back to them, he actually gave meaningful speeches!
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and the manly hug with otacon...

i cried
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though hearing the music reminded me that MGS2's theme is easily my favorite out of the series
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though hearing the music reminded me that MGS2's theme is easily my favorite out of the series
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Man, I completely forgot about the GECKO shitting from the old trailers.  Why the hell did they remove that???

Also, in the original opening for the B&B, Raging Raven and Crying Wolf actually cut the rebels in half when they fly by but it was edited in the final version.
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it shits in the game too! same part.
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