Topic: The Official Metal Gear Solid 4 Topic (remember spoiler tags ppl) (Read 19598 times)

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nah, he's not but I guarantee you he's on IRC right now saying GODDAMMIT WHY AM I SO SHIT ALWAYS UGH...I SHOUDL JUST KILL MYSELF and Strangeluv sighs and types out some bullshit reassurement.
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"the highest point human can go"

man i just cannot get over this.  like, please tell me you're at least exaggerating about this part.  PLEASE TELL ME you do not really think this.
Honestly I was exaggerating that part. The quote I wasn't but...
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Kojima is one of those brilliant idiots that puts a lot of effort in what he does but as soon as he opens his mouth you want to pop him.  I remember he posted in his blog about looking at rocks and actually stopping and thinking about how the rock ended up there.  I remember a topic about a year back that made fun of him for walking around war torn countries for inspiration on his vidyas.
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Kojima is one of those brilliant idiots that puts a lot of effort in what he does but as soon as he opens his mouth you want to pop him.  I remember he posted in his blog about looking at rocks and actually stopping and thinking about how the rock ended up there.  I remember a topic about a year back that made fun of him for walking around war torn countries for inspiration on his vidyas.
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if the games he makes are absurd, immature, and generally just NOT THAT GREAT and the things he says are dumb as hell, what part of him is brilliant?  do you really look at the mgs series with its overblown espionage storylines that you could find in any pulp contemporary war novel and think AHH, BRILLIANCE?
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Metal Gear Solid 2 did what no video entertainment medium had ever done before and I'll argue that point to the ground.
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arrrgggghhhhh that quote.

ARRRRHRHGGHGHGHGG
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Metal Gear Solid 2 did what no video entertainment medium had ever done before and I'll argue that point to the ground.

Steel used to link to a blog that pretty much explained why but I lost the link a while ago.  It does a much better job explaining than I ever could.
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no, I meant graphically.

I mean it looks good yeah but not that much more impressive than Gears of War or something that's on one DVD!

gimme a screenshot or something I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6V0JDyHoAU

because this doesn't seem like it needs 16 discs or whatever.
i really hope that's not an official trailer (like maybe some was edited in by that machinima thing idk i didn't pay much attention)

because FUCK it even has that blockbuster movie announcer in it.
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basically where most of us would almost by nature recreated something like Metal Gear Solid 2 with some degree of irony, Hideo Kojima managed to reappropriate his previous game completely at face value. there's something admirable about someone with that degree of pride in their fruity little self, and while he may be full of shit entirely, at least then and now he's got a more respectable set of creative values than his fellow game creators who are more obsessed with polygon count than some idea of videogames as a medium. it requires an Andy Warhol level of delusion, but honestly I think the payoff of this completely stupid fucked up game with some of the worst plotting possible all done without so much of an iota of respect for the audience was worth it.
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Metal Gear Solid 2 did what no video entertainment medium had ever done before and I'll argue that point to the ground.
Which was?  MGS2 was laughable and a GREAT GAME in the same way Xenogears was, but that's because it was such a ridiculous, clearly unintentionally hilarious game, when you look at his other projects.  He doesn't deserve praise for making a game that was just so bad it was funny.  Steel is talking about he just got way in over his head trying to do all this bullshit and failed miserably, but is that really admirable?  He had ambition which I admit is good, but the games are made so artlessly and it's filled with a bunch of half-assed philosophy so I don't think LOOSE AMBITION is enough to make up for the fact that he doesn't really know what he's doing and still takes himself way too serious regardless of this fact.
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Which was?  MGS2 was laughable and a GREAT GAME in the same way Xenogears was, but that's because it was such a ridiculous, clearly unintentionally hilarious game, when you look at his other projects.  He doesn't deserve praise for making a game that was just so bad it was funny.

No, no Metal Gear Solid 2 was intentionally hilarious.  Xenogears was actually supposed to be serious but MGS2 was essentially a middle finger to the entire video game community and his fanbase in general.

If Steel can't find the link to the excellent article that explains this in clearer words than I can then I'll just have to paraphrase it myself.
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No, no Metal Gear Solid 2 was intentionally hilarious.  Xenogears was actually supposed to be serious but MGS2 was essentially a middle finger to the entire video game community and his fanbase in general.

If Steel can't find the link to the excellent article that explains this in clearer words than I can then I'll just have to paraphrase it myself.
Yeah you keep saying this and, believe me, I understand why!  But MGS 1, 3, and now 4 aren't like that.  Nothing else about his career, especially that WARZONE shit, lends itself to the argument that he is really just some brilliant commentator on video games.
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well honestly this gets weakened by the creation of MGS3 and 4, but MGS2 seemed like such a creative little fuck you to gamers to get them out of this concept that all this ridiculous SWING SWORDS WITH SPY stuff was a really good plot and instead focus on all these little issues that he admittedly never pinned down.

basically it all depends how intentional you think he was in making such a weird kind of awful game.

also the commentary is by...tim rogers...

http://www.insertcredit.com/features/dreaming2/

sooooo take that with a huge grain of salt.
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Yeah you keep saying this and, believe me, I understand why!  But MGS 1, 3, and now 4 aren't like that.  Nothing else about his career, especially that WARZONE shit, lends itself to the argument that he is really just some brilliant commentator on video games.

To be fair, MGS3 was supposed to be his final MGS game.  He had less influence on MGS4 which is mostly Murata's work in terms of storyline but there's a rumor spreading that Konami is pressuring him into doing MGS5.  MGS2 was an excellent mindfuck ending for the entire game world and MGS3 did a good job wrapping up a previously untouched character but the rest of the series could have stopped there.  Portable Ops did very little in terms of story other than subtly hint at why Big Boss went insane and how he had so many soldiers to back him up and MGS4 just seems to be a fan wank as it brings back every character that didn't die in a previous game.

The thing is, from a video game standpoint (which is where my "brilliant" remark comes from) he actually cares about delivering a quality product without focusing on unimportant things like top graphics and novelty features.  All of the MGS games contain a lot of minute details and easter eggs that aren't present in other games and these little things are proof that the man is a stickler for design.  I'm not going to argue plot because that's subjective, but the guy cares about the actual DESIGN of the game which is a lot to say because most directors/producers of any entertainment medium tend to sit in high back chairs far away from the actual product and dictate what happens in the shadows.
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also man sometimes even in the context of MGS3 and other games, you REALLY HAVE TO WONDER about MGS2.

like, one of the details Marcus kind of offhandedly referred to is the fact that if you switch to first person view and look at a picture this guard put up of a half naked woman, the view eventually starts bobbing up...and down...and up...and down...and you realize Snake is masturbating.

and then you can CALL OTACON and he's like S...SNAKE...WH...WHAT and press R2 to listen to Snake's thoughts, this game was nuts.
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Isn't 24 quite small dude??

For a TV... yeah (we got a 38" 1080i widescreen).. but for a monitor, that is pretty great (I am using an 18" 4:3).
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http://www.digitalbattle.com/2008/06/01/konami-places-restriction-on-journalists-reviewing-mgs-4/

this is awesome, there's totally 90 minute cutscenes.
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i always buy video games for the movies
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Hopefully this topic will shut up people like Ninja Pirate and RPG who keep saying MGS4 is coming out on 360.
i dont remember saying this but i think it would be pretty hilarious if it happened.