Topic: You can see into the future....as can all of us...amazins... (Read 1133 times)

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080602/sc_livescience/keytoallopticalillusionsdiscovered


This is fucking amazing and while still just a theory basically makes a lot of sense.  Even if 1/10th of a second isn't much (damn...Nicholas Cage can see more than we can....fuckin Next....) that's still PRETTY COOL.

what are your guy's thoughts on this?

It's pretty crazy imo.

I wonder if there is some way to possibly manipulate it into longer durations or something, if true.
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how is this seeing into the future? maybe i am reading this wrong, but as i understand here, all that's happening is your brain is doing CRAZY STUFF to try and predict what you will see next. they seem to say this pretty clearly by saying this is how we are fooled by optical illusions, since our brain is wrongly predicting what will happen and causes us to see the illusion instead.
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Yeah mang once I hit up so much chop I was all crazy n shit! I could see the end of the world n stuff! True story mang! Shit for real yo.
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how is this seeing into the future? maybe i am reading this wrong, but as i understand here, all that's happening is your brain is doing CRAZY STUFF to try and predict what you will see next. they seem to say this pretty clearly by saying this is how we are fooled by optical illusions, since our brain is wrongly predicting what will happen and causes us to see the illusion instead.

Well, obviously, the title of the thread is kind of a joke, but 1/10th of a second of a prediction of the future (that is usually accurate, except for illusions)
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I adamantly hope that this theory will not be co-opted by panderers of "New Age" thought. But it almost certainly will be.
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i wonder if drug-induced hallucinations are related to this
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i wonder if drug-induced hallucinations are related to this
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Wait, but wouldn't it be seeing into the present?

It's not that we're seeing the future, our brain is just...basically in the PAST.  There's just a lag, so we're really just seeing what's going on late.  Our eyes are the only ones seeing into the future, but it's just the "future" to our brains.

Even still it's a neat study.
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Definitely doesn't involve seeing into the future, but if there was some technology that could remove the 1/10th of a second barrier, it could have some interesting applications.  A soldier or jet fighter or boxer could use that extra 1/10 of a second for an extra edge against their opponents.  While it doesn't seem like much, in a knee-jerk situation, that reaction time can make all the difference.  Of course, I would imagine one would have to take a lot of time to get used to the removal of that barrier.
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So wait does it mean we're living in an illusion
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Wait, but wouldn't it be seeing into the present?

It's not that we're seeing the future, our brain is just...basically in the PAST.  There's just a lag, so we're really just seeing what's going on late.  Our eyes are the only ones seeing into the future, but it's just the "future" to our brains.

Even still it's a neat study.

No.. No.. No...

According to the study, our brains are rooted into the PRESENT, not the Past... We're not really "seeing" into the future, our brains are trying to predict what will occur in the next tenth of a second, in order to compensate for the lag of sight.

You seriously need to re-read the article...
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Sounds like our brains actively calculate the possible results of the on-going events and variables so yeah, definitely not SEEING INTO THE FUTURE.

Wait, but wouldn't it be seeing into the present?

It's not that we're seeing the future, our brain is just...basically in the PAST.  There's just a lag, so we're really just seeing what's going on late.  Our eyes are the only ones seeing into the future, but it's just the "future" to our brains.

Even still it's a neat study.

That could be another neat way to think about it but there is one thing which doesn't really apply to that: what about the situations where the body reacts to e.g. incoming ball? Doesn't the brains quickly calculate the possible hazardous result of the event and then -

No wait, in these situations, i recall the signal bypasses some processing procedures and goes straight to the spine, as the "AVOID THE INCOMING X THING -->DODGE" is somewhat of an basic universal instinct!

... Yeah, that is actually a sensible way to perceive to thing, yeah. I must urge though that this
Definitely doesn't involve seeing into the future, but if there was some technology that could remove the 1/10th of a second barrier, it could have some interesting applications.  A soldier or jet fighter or boxer could use that extra 1/10 of a second for an extra edge against their opponents.  While it doesn't seem like much, in a knee-jerk situation, that reaction time can make all the difference.  Of course, I would imagine one would have to take a lot of time to get used to the removal of that barrier.
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That would basically mean you remove their sense for predicting things, which can be VERY catastrophical for pilots. How can you react to an incoming attack e.g. missile quickly if you don't have any natural/learnt instinct of "pull the wheel quickly"? I mean, think about of your basic driving accidents: how do you think it helps anything if you don't pull the wheel/push the breaks when in danger (sudden appear of a ledge/obstacle/car)?

The only way to really make that difference you are talking about in the heat of a battle (rolleyes) is to speed up the predicting process.
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That would basically mean you remove their sense for predicting things, which can be VERY catastrophical for pilots. How can you react to an incoming attack e.g. missile quickly if you don't have any natural/learnt instinct of "pull the wheel quickly"? I mean, think about of your basic driving accidents: how do you think it helps anything if you don't pull the wheel/push the breaks when in danger (sudden appear of a ledge/obstacle/car)?

The only way to really make that difference you are talking about in the heat of a battle (rolleyes) is to speed up the predicting process.

Yes, but if we could "see faster", wouldn't our brains still predict, just 1/10th of a second sooner?
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This has more to do with light and less to do with time...

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this IS seeing into the future, however it is not how you want it to be explained. If you ever thought about "seeing into the future" you always have this fairy tale concept in mind (lol, portal---time travel)

The only logical way to see in the future (for now) is calculating variables and making a prediction based on those results.

So if you want to put it as "the brain doesn't see into the future, it just makes predictions that are 99.9% of the time right" then go ahead, but the brain was still able to SEE into the future do to its insane calculations. Just because you can explain it, doesn't make it invalid.
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So how one would use this study to extrapolate the 1/10 second to say...60 seconds?
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this IS seeing into the future, however it is not how you want it to be explained. If you ever thought about "seeing into the future" you always have this fairy tale concept in mind (lol, portal---time travel)

The only logical way to see in the future (for now) is calculating variables and making a prediction based on those results.

So if you want to put it as "the brain doesn't see into the future, it just makes predictions that are 99.9% of the time right" then go ahead, but the brain was still able to SEE into the future do to its insane calculations. Just because you can explain it, doesn't make it invalid.

Yeah but it's not the future.  It's the present.  You aren't seeing things that have yet to happen, you're just seeing things ON TIME instead of late.
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I'm still confused... is what I'm seeing right now actually the PREDICTION so then we're never actually quite seeing reality? (well according to hippies/philosophy majors you can never really see reality anyway but I mean what most people mean by reality ok)

Edit: Does it have anything to do with this too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold
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Kind of hard for me to grasp this... it sounds amazing of course, but it's like, even if it's the result of the brain predicting what you see 1/10 of a second ahead of time as accurately as it does just seems mind boggling.  In some ways, it makes more sense to me on the idea that if you're in an area you've seen before then your brain can kind of automatically assume what comes up next because you've seen it before, but then I get to the idea of what happens if you're blindfolded, put into an unfamiliar place and then the blindfold comes off.  How would the brain perceive that?

Then again, maybe I'm overthinking and in turning totally missing the concept here.
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I'm still confused... is what I'm seeing right now actually the PREDICTION so then we're never actually quite seeing reality? (well according to hippies/philosophy majors you can never really see reality anyway but I mean what most people mean by reality ok)
No, things like text HAS to be rooted in reality because there's no way to predict what is written etc. I don't know why you're pulling this science fiction bullshit because it's not really that sick.

Things like what's in the corner of your eye when you turn your head also has to be persepted before it becomes part of your vision. This thing only applies to things you've already seen and are in a changing form (moving objects or people you are trying to recognize etc)