The dent is, we have evidence that evolution exists. There is no evidence AT ALL for ID.
For me it seems pretty obvious that evolution can and did happen on a greater scale. Apply the same results this test got, to humans and primates.

edit: Sorry, I had to edit this. I just can't understand how people believe in intelligent design!!! It's ridiculous!

Instead of dedicated, what, one page to creationism and every 5 sentences say that it's wrong? I mean wtf, make it neutral. *flashbacks of WWII Germany propaganda*

btw i completely missed this the first time around so i just want to say thank you twin matrix................thank you

only a blind fool would go "lol natural selection birds existed since the beginning of time!"

Therefore it's pretty damn sad so many people believe this.

Either way, I've never believed in anything, so this doesn't do much for me. Yeah, I think
it's great we have proof, but it isn't going to change anything for the next few years.
At least until they can take the project some levels further.

That said, religious people will stay religious people, no matter what proof of the contrary is
put on the table. Most they will do is slightly adjust their views and say "But that's what we
meant all along!". Which is why I can't stand most of 'em.

Wow, you people like to take someone's words and twist them around in your own way. I'm not even going to bother replying to each of those post seperately. Instead I'll make a quick list for those that aren't asd;'sdgldg, like Clucky, so they don't think what I posted was meant in the way it was interpretated by sdifousdfoiux's. ^_^b

- Where did I say I hate black people? Oh, right, apparently everyone knows things about me that I haven't even said, nor know myself. Okay, sorry.
- With "science != fact", I meant that proving that A is true, it doesn't automatically mean B is true. That there is gravity on earth doesn't mean there's gravity on other planets. Of course, that statement was just waiting to be taken out of context. Because we all know there must be a racistic hidden message behind everything I type.
- I didn't say that school books should promote and force ANY opinion on students. Instead, it should have the student think for him/herself. Something that some people seem to lack nowadays.
- This discovery about bacterium does not prove that evolution created everything there is today. Can you actually think of a reason/argument why we evolved into the only intelligent beings, instead of whopping my posts around? Why aren't there variations to humans, like intelligent humans with large arms and hands? Or jaws? Or whatever? Surely that would help that species survive natural selection. If the chance that only ONE species evolves into intelligent beings exists, then the chance of humans evolving into stronger beings surely exist too. In 100 years or so, we might have a new theory that puts the evolution theory to shame. And then everyone will follow then new theory and ridicule pro-evolutionists. Who knows.

I have no doubts that evolution and whatnot were part of it. There's too much evidence to say that evolution is fake, but I also find it hard to believe that there was no form of intelligence behind the design of such and absolutely amazing universe.

Agreed. (I never said I didn't believe in evolution? @_@)

To save you the trouble of posting it yourself:

yeah perhaps him saying you hate black people was off the mark

but hey let's look at this quote that i myself actually warned you for: "but then again rap and black people scociety seems to be all about raping women and drugs so it doesnt surprise (assuming from your username you're one)"

oh okay i guess you don't hate them, you're just as reprehensibly ignorant of and filled with ridiculous misconceptions and generalizations about them as you apparently are about the subject of evolution vs. creationism (hint: nobody has answered your questions because they are fairly uninformed ones and the fact that you're even asking WELL WHY DONT HUMANS HAVE BIGGER JAWS?? as an argument against evolution is probably a pretty fair sign that you apparently know absolutely nothing at all about evolution).  *PHEEEEW* thats a relief


ahh yes but people who believe in evolution... they're all just a bunch of sheep

@handsome lamb:

You bitched and moaned about there being too many black people in Barkley.

Oh really? Quote me then. If you can't, it's wrong.

We aren't the only intelligent beings on the planet...animals have ways of communication, brain cells, intelligence, and such too.

Are you saying that animals are even remotely as intelligent as humans, capable of learning and freedom of deciding things against survival nature?

Plus there was "variations" of humans, it's called the Neanderthals.

There aren't really big variations to humans. The variations are more in a little bit longer arms, less/more brains, etc.

Because that wasn't an adaptive trait. Think of natural selection as a kind of sift with selective pressures like environment, predation, etc, chiseling away at a population capable of mutation and reproduction. Evolution is not UPWARDS MOBILITY, with a specific target in mind, but a blind sift.

I know what natural selection is. ^_^ And it was only an example. Think of any trait that would have helped humans but we don't have it. Why don't we have them? Humans with large hands could catch prey easier, which makes them survive more and produce more children, thus slowly evolving into these humans with large hands. Also, it's pretty random that humans are all over the place without showing big variations. The Dawson birds showed pretty big variations in wings and beaks. With all the rivers and oceans that humans crossed, you'd think that the natural barriers would slowly evolve the two seperated groups of humans into different species. But nope. Also, didn't we never find an actual human-ape fossils, and more only very humanish fossils OR very apish fossils? I could be entirely wrong on that, but I thought there was a gap of fossils. Like the pterodactyl (sp?) being a bird/reptillian.

@GZ: Thanks for the quote. I knew I never said I hated black people and that proves it. I merely said that it seems to be all about raping women and drugs, and thatdoesn't mean I hate all black people. And most rap music is about that I think, so, yea. I turn on the radio and there's rap and, guess what? It's about having sex, rape and drugs. Of course, there are many exceptions, but still.