Topic: Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope... (Read 1931 times)

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...for me to ever buy a Square Enix product again!

I am utterly appalled by the decision to make this game XBox-exclusive. Not only can I not afford an XBox on top of a PS3, I also have a personal vow to never buy a game system by Microsoft, since I'm a purist and believe Microsoft should just stick to computers and leave games to Sony and Nintendo. But, NO, Square Enix had to go and make the game exclusive to an inferior system that's sold a mere 11 copies in Japan. I mean Blue Dragon didn't increase 360 sales over there, so what the fuck is SE thinking!?

Rant over. Discuss this game.
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Inferior? Sure whatever man. I think money is the reason behind this. If it's anything like the 3rd I don't think you would be missing out on much.

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uh??

Microsoft has been making games long before Sony. Not Nintendo, but definitely Sony. So...whatever.

They've been making game systems before Sony too...hello Windows 95/98. Yes, those are game systems too.

Basically just sounds like you're a fanboy. The reason the X-Box doesn't sell in Japan is because the Japanese hate American stuff (nothing American made sells well over there), and Blue Dragon was a terrible game. The X-Box 360 is currently out selling the PlayStation 3 by nearly double world-wide, so whatever.

It's called business, get over it. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

Like Tau said, looking at SO3, you're not missing much anyways.
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i think i will buy this so i have something to hate

it has been a while since i have HATED AN RPG i kinda miss it!
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uh??

Microsoft has been making games long before Sony. Not Nintendo, but definitely Sony. So...whatever.

They've been making game systems before Sony too...hello Windows 95/98. Yes, those are game systems too.

Basically just sounds like you're a fanboy. The reason the X-Box doesn't sell in Japan is because the Japanese hate American stuff (nothing American made sells well over there), and Blue Dragon was a terrible game. The X-Box 360 is currently out selling the PlayStation 3 by nearly double world-wide, so whatever.

It's called business, get over it. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

Like Tau said, looking at SO3, you're not missing much anyways.

I was with you until that part. What about the iPod? Also, Japanese people love American shows like 24 (rating are actually better in Japan for said show).  The Japanese people dont like American stuff is the most false argument evar.

Also, the 360 more than double thing... how'd you get that?

But on topic: Microsoft is just trying to keep their library diverse; which was one of their criticisms from last gen.  People in Japan are not the only ones that like RPGs!  Also, this makes the competition between the 360 and the PS3 alot more interesting dont you think?
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Correction: japanese people dislike american games.

Not all of them, but a large portion of them. If you want an example, look for an article titled something like "Where a game named Mother 3 beats the sales of Halo 2" or something like that. It talks about certain gaming shops in Japan having only a little section allocated to the american industry. It's the only corner of the shop where you find american games and the 360.
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The reason the X-Box doesn't sell in Japan is because the Japanese hate American stuff (nothing American made sells well over there)

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wow guys thanks for taking an obviously related to gaming post and twisting it to everything. i'm sure it was probably bad wording on my part too but this is a topic about a game, and nothing American made game-wise does sell well over in Japan.

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lso, the 360 more than double thing... how'd you get that?

Any not-biased sales report on the consoles ever. Wii is ~21.8m, X-Box 360 has ~18.9m, and PS3 has ~9.9m as of last reports. (PS3 is probably a bit higher since MGS4 was released, but still.)
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If you have seen the trailer, you just know it's gonna be exactly like Star Ocean 3. PSEUDO-SCIFI because you actually only go to another planet and then you go back to swords and magic.

I remember when I played Star Ocean 3 and it was a pretty huge letdown after Star Ocean 2. There was no real objective in the story and you just wandered from one town to another visiting random dungeons for all kinds of stupid reasons. And the little potential the story had was ruined once you got to the second half of the game, and anyone who has played Star Ocean 3 knows that and the ending was hilariously bad and didn't even make any sense. Star Ocean 3's voice acting was pretty horrible and they watered down Star Ocean 2's fantastic skill system. The battle system was great though, and remains as one of my favorite battle systems. It's a shame that the default difficulty was WAY too easy so beating the game didn't take much effort and the battle system's potential wasn't used to the fullest. Even despite Star Ocean 3's faults, I still kinda liked it. Maybe it's because it was fun to play and it had some nice locations and the soundtrack was pretty solid. I basically liked it for the same reasons as I like Star Ocean 2, though I much prefer the characters and locations of Star Ocean 2, and the story was better too even though it was pretty average as well.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure rami and I are going to get Star Ocean 4 anyway but I'm not horribly optimistic about it like I was about Star Ocean 3. At least that way I won't be disappointed when it turns out to be another Star Ocean 3.
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microsoft dont make computers what are you talking about?
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wow guys thanks for taking an obviously related to gaming post and twisting it to everything. i'm sure it was probably bad wording on my part too but this is a topic about a game, and nothing American made game-wise does sell well over in Japan.

Any not-biased sales report on the consoles ever. Wii is ~21.8m, X-Box 360 has ~18.9m, and PS3 has ~9.9m as of last reports. (PS3 is probably a bit higher since MGS4 was released, but still.)

I know it had almost double sales but you stated that it was "currently" outselling it by double.  The PS3 has been outselling the 360 in Europe (as a whole) since November last year and in the US (which is the 360 strongest market by far) the PS3 out sold the 360 4 out of 5 months (that there are numbers for).
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It is currently outselling it by double, by units, world wide.
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well what could you expect with hero names like Edge Maverick and Reimi Saionji.
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It is currently outselling it by double, by units, world wide.

Not according to Media Create, Chart Track, and NPD.
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I have been under the impression that PS3 has been outselling 360 for a while now, but I don't care enough to actually go out of my way and read some official numbers or anything, I just recall hearing that somewhere.

But... I thought this topic is about Star Ocean 4. :(
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this sounds like another bad japanese style rpg. i played the first star ocean and from what i hear it gets worse from there, and at this point i am not prepared to even listen to anyone arguing for the merits of this awful game template that is perpetuated by idiots who do things like take vows against game consoles.

i mean lost oddyssey was the last japanese rpg i played - one of the most recent released - and it is so bad - it is so bad  - that at various points in the game i was brought to laughter at the unoriginality, triteness and stupidity of every single "gameplay" element they shoved in. lost oddyssey could have been created on the NES and from a gameplay standpoint it would be identical.

this perception that japanese people dislike foreign games is the only reason why:

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Star Ocean 3 was pretty bad, especially the story. I couldn't even tell what was going on, and they threw ridiculous plot twists at the end of the game. Star Ocean 2 was a pretty good game though, probably the best out of all of them.
Depending on the reviews, I might pick the game up since I'm a sucker for games like Lost Odyssey and Eternal Sonata. Personally, I'm looking forward to the Star Ocean remake on the PSP more than this.
By the way, the protagonist looks too much like the hero of Star Ocean 3 already except he has blonde hair. What the hell.

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Not according to Media Create, Chart Track, and NPD.

You're correct, I had my cache wrong on the site xD. After hard refreshing, it is now 19 million for XB360, 12 million for PS3, and 24.4 million for Wii, world-wide, as of April. The PS3 got a huge sale increase from the price drop.


Anyways...

SO4 is gonna be some lame-o SO3-esque Sci-Fi Fantasy game. It's gonna blow. This much is fatally obvious.
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so2 WAS the best game out of the series, but it still wasn't fantastic.  it was just an ACCEPTABLE jrpg, where so3 was really just intolerably bad to me (but thank you first 5 pages of so3 topic telling me to rush out and buy it because it was amazing)

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well what could you expect with hero names like Edge Maverick and Reimi Saionji.
well right off the bat it is better than FAYT LEINGOD

also i've also heard the ps3 is outselling the 360.  it sells about five times as well in japan because the japanese are apparently ethnocentric fucks and scoff and the large majority of american electronics, and i think it's outselling it by a pretty wide margin in europe too.  i dunno if darknecrid's sales figures are accurate!