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AdderallApocalypse

#41 June 25, 2008, 12:36:50 am

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Quote from: Marcus on June 24, 2008, 10:30:31 pm

I said I would never join the military or fall in love with a white woman but I guess I'm not good at keeping promises, eh?

I guess not, but me and you are two separate people.

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Marcus

#42 June 25, 2008, 03:12:28 am

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Quote from: Omcifer on June 25, 2008, 12:36:50 am

I guess not, but me and you are two separate people.

yeah man, you're like what? 19? 20? unless you die tomorrow i highly doubt you're going to stay rigid and unwavering in your firm beliefs for the next 60 or whatever years.

hell, i hope transhumanism kicks in midway through your life and people start living to 200 and 300. how awesome would it be to remain a working class citizen for 3 centuries and do nothing but theorize and idolize?

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Mama Luigi

#43 June 25, 2008, 04:03:51 am

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Quote from: Marcus on June 25, 2008, 03:12:28 am

yeah man, you're like what? 19? 20? unless you die tomorrow i highly doubt you're going to stay rigid and unwavering in your firm beliefs for the next 60 or whatever years.

Uh, idk man, sounds an awful lot like the vast majority of the Christ camp.

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#44 June 25, 2008, 04:09:59 am

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Quote from: Mama Luigi on June 25, 2008, 04:03:51 am

Uh, idk man, sounds an awful lot like the vast majority of the Christ camp.

I highly doubt the hardcore evangelists actually pray let alone believe in any of the tenants of Christianity. There are people who use religion as a crutch to put down other people and it's kind of sick and disgusting. "Going to church" is more of a source of gossip and communion (communion as in "discussing football with fat sweaty guys and women talking about their nails and neighbors") than it is actual WORSHIP.

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Bravo

#45 June 25, 2008, 04:39:07 pm

I'm like Jesus, only in a non-religious way.
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I don't believe in a God, but I wish I did, what does that make me?

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#46 June 25, 2008, 04:47:14 pm

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Myself, I'm an Atheist which means I don't believe in the Christian god. However, I do believe there is SOME higher being out there that created all of us, maybe several. But I don't believe in the Christian god nor do I believe in Christianity, because I believe the Bible was written by man to control the people. I also believe there is some sort of "Heaven" or spirit world, but I believe hell was a man made concept.

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AdderallApocalypse

#47 June 25, 2008, 04:51:26 pm

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Uhhh, being an Atheist means you don't believe in ANY god.

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#48 June 25, 2008, 04:51:35 pm

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Quote from: Bravo on June 25, 2008, 04:39:07 pm

I don't believe in a God, but I wish I did, what does that make me?

Depressed?

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#49 June 25, 2008, 04:52:32 pm

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Quote from: Arnold on June 25, 2008, 04:47:14 pm

Myself, I'm an Atheist which means I don't believe in the Christian god. However, I do believe there is SOME higher being out there that created all of us, maybe several. But I don't believe in the Christian god nor do I believe in Christianity, because I believe the Bible was written by man to control the people. I also believe there is some sort of "Heaven" or spirit world, but I believe hell was a man made concept.

You are not an Atheist because atheism is the belief in no higher power, yet you said you believe in some higher power.

Also I am an atheist. Was born a catholic, parents got out of that and became pretty much deists (even though they don't know what it is) and I became an atheist after studying various religions.

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#50 June 25, 2008, 05:19:31 pm

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Quote from: Marcus on June 25, 2008, 04:09:59 am

I highly doubt the hardcore evangelists actually pray let alone believe in any of the tenants of Christianity. There are people who use religion as a crutch to put down other people and it's kind of sick and disgusting. "Going to church" is more of a source of gossip and communion (communion as in "discussing football with fat sweaty guys and women talking about their nails and neighbors") than it is actual WORSHIP.

This is one of the many reasons I stopped believing in the mystic avenger in the sky. I used to be a Christian, but stopped following it for several reasons.

1. I actually read the bible and found many of the passages to be absolutely abhorrent.
2. I used to read a lot of history books and the stuff that religion was used to justify is really repugnant. Murder, genocide, spousal abuse, child abuse, slavery, racism, etc.
3. Other religions had much cooler gods. Zeus, Ares, Hades, Odin, Thor, Loki, Ra, Anubis, Nu Wa, Shiva, Ganesh, Pele, Kane Milohai, etc. (congrats if you can figure out what cultures those all came from without looking them up).

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Fujin

#51 June 25, 2008, 08:53:33 pm

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Religion serves no purpose in my life. I just think there's no point in believing in any "higher powers" or whatever.

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Bravo

#52 June 25, 2008, 09:17:19 pm

I'm like Jesus, only in a non-religious way.
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Quote from: Blitzen on June 25, 2008, 04:51:35 pm

Depressed?

Most likely.

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Marmot

#53 June 25, 2008, 09:18:41 pm

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Quote from: Fujin on June 25, 2008, 08:53:33 pm

Religion serves no purpose in my life. I just think there's no point in believing in any "higher powers" or whatever.

religion does serve a purpose. without god the world and its affairs are objectively meaningless in so far that god was the only one that could give objectivity to morality. To the christian, murder is bad because god said so, to the atheist murder is bad because.....?

it doesnt means that atheists are amoral or whatever, but to the atheist morality is completely subjective.

furthermore religion is the heart of an alienated world. when everything looks horrible and terrible it makes sense to lift your head towards the sky and pray for god.

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#54 June 25, 2008, 10:18:34 pm

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Quote from: Bravo on June 25, 2008, 04:39:07 pm

I don't believe in a God, but I wish I did, what does that make me?

This is actually kind of my stance. I wouldn't mind being ACTUALLY religious, but I can't just start believing something one day (and certainly no DIVINE POWER etc). Some of the pagan shit seems interesting but new age people are fucking crazy (the large new age groups in Norway fund neo nazi hate groups), so that's a no go. So yeah, I wish there really were religions of love that made sense that were widespread, 'cause I'd probably start reading their holy texts if they were. To be honest though, I don't really know of any interesting religions except BUDDHISM but as far as I'm concerned it's more LIFESTYLE ADVICES than religion??

I'm an ignorant fuck when it comes to religion though so I have no idea whatsoever of what I'm talking about.

One religion that's fucking interesting is the Rastafari movement though. They like, start at Christianity as a fundament and then build on the fact that Messiah is supposed to return to Earth. And they believe that he has returned and was indeed Emperor Haile Sellasie of Ethiopia, who was still alive during the haydays of the movement.

As far as Wikipedia presents them, the Rastafaris seem really relaxed and down with love etc (altho supposedly started off as a racist religion). It's not something I could ever get involved with but it's just a really cool religion as far as I'm concerned, and I sure as hell am concerned!

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Marcus

#55 June 25, 2008, 10:27:01 pm

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Quote from: Grunthor on June 25, 2008, 05:19:31 pm

This is one of the many reasons I stopped believing in the mystic avenger in the sky. I used to be a Christian, but stopped following it for several reasons.

1. I actually read the bible and found many of the passages to be absolutely abhorrent.
2. I used to read a lot of history books and the stuff that religion was used to justify is really repugnant. Murder, genocide, spousal abuse, child abuse, slavery, racism, etc.
3. Other religions had much cooler gods. Zeus, Ares, Hades, Odin, Thor, Loki, Ra, Anubis, Nu Wa, Shiva, Ganesh, Pele, Kane Milohai, etc. (congrats if you can figure out what cultures those all came from without looking them up).

eh, those are all human desires. holy books were written by humans and thus are fallible. humans naturally twist and reinterpret things to their own goals so you can't let past events affect your personal spiritual standing. people call me a misanthrope but fuuuuuck humanity is really sick and disgusting myself included and nothing brings me greater joy than connecting spiritually in the privacy of my own home.

with that said i find it kind of odd that you listed off gods that support murder, genocide, spousal abuse, child abuse, slavery, and racism (i dunno if it was a joke or not but whatever).

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Fujin

#56 June 25, 2008, 10:44:02 pm

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Quote from: Marmot on June 25, 2008, 09:18:41 pm

religion does serve a purpose. without god the world and its affairs are objectively meaningless in so far that god was the only one that could give objectivity to morality. To the christian, murder is bad because god said so, to the atheist murder is bad because.....?

Morality isn't determined (atleast entirely) by religion. I seriously don't need imaginary friends to tell me murder is bad.

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#57 June 25, 2008, 10:55:47 pm

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Quote from: Mr. Sunshine on June 24, 2008, 05:44:40 am

Quote from: Rendpppppr on June 24, 2008, 05:39:11 am
not knowing > believing in something that's maybe made up, basically

also I'm making a pretty banal statement here I know, but how is saying 'god did it' any better? how's saying god was always around easier
Because both statements are just as intangible and unknowable. That is why it is a belief and not an objective truth.

HMM What statements are you comparing? "I dont know" and "god did it"?
orrrr "god did it" and "god was always around"?

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Zarad Yachy

#58 June 26, 2008, 01:45:53 am

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I grew up having Christianity shoved down my throat.

Now I'm an atheist.

Not because I want to be rebellious to what I was taught as a child, but because of everything I've learned about the Bible and everything else concerning Christianity that leads me to believe there is no God.

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Marmot

#59 June 26, 2008, 02:00:00 am

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Quote from: Fujin on June 25, 2008, 10:44:02 pm

Morality isn't determined (atleast entirely) by religion. I seriously don't need imaginary friends to tell me murder is bad.

obviously not, but what makes "murder" inherently bad? is it truly objectively bad or its only subjectively bad?

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#60 June 26, 2008, 02:03:36 am

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Using God as a placeholder for some peice of knowledge that you lack should be considered an act of blasphemy. It's what caused me to vehemently shunt Christianity and almost turn atheist.

Although you cannot blame society for going that route. The desire to understand something unknown is fundamental to human nature. It just baffles me when people shunt science just because it doesn't fall under the reign of their "divine explanations". Are they honestly afraid that by trying to understand the world around them and it's nature, that it will somehow kill the idea of God? Any time I look at it, It just seems like such an irrational fear diminishes the worth and purpose of God.

I wish religious people would be more open and accepting of science, because with every new thing I learn as a result of some scientific study/breakthrough, the closer to God I feel. It's almost as if not only can I see the purpose God serves on every (known) level, but I also the manner in which he speaks to us every day.

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way certain that he exists (based on the idea of certainty *and faith*, I know I never will be), but the idea of him existing starts to make more and more sense to me, and it becomes a lot easier for me to beleive in him.

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