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#21 June 26, 2008, 11:25:26 pm

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MacOS X is pretty much a joy to use and unless you're really into new games or whatever I'd recommend it.

I only play relatively old games: wow, cs source, tf2, stuff like that. There's a native version of wow for mac I think so the only software I'd miss would be the directx only games and as I understand it you can still play them via some kind dualboot shit? idk

PC, mac, w/e

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#22 June 26, 2008, 11:41:12 pm

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Quote from: Dada on June 26, 2008, 11:01:32 pm

it was a joke because you are the only one here taking this so seriously! honestly I don't know anything about this MAC RIVALRY mac fanboy shit you keep bring up, like I said I just came in here to give my opinion and I posted a bit about my experience with the two systems (this is usually what people do when someone asks their opinion on something)

I'm not going to debate you because like I said I didn't mean for it to be an argument and I don't really give a shit what other people use! but my story about my sister and I is entirely true, I don't now why you'd think I'd make something like that up just to persuade bravo into getting a PC or some shit. heh, that'll get 'em...PCs for life!!

if you're REALLY upset about it and you really want me to I can probably find the papers to show exactly what the difference is between our computers concerning hardware, I don't think I got any major discounts or anything and honestly I think hers was on sale l.m.a.o.

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#23 June 26, 2008, 11:51:08 pm

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This is not a generalization of the users. I am only describing those who participate in the rivalry.

Mac users hate PCs, meanwhile PC users hate Mac users.

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#24 June 27, 2008, 12:40:54 am

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Nah, Mac users hate PCs and competing open-source UNIX-likes. ALL NON MAC USERS HATE MAC USERS, including the senile elderlies.

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#25 June 27, 2008, 03:20:51 am

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The whole "can't run games" thing pretty much is obsolete with bootcamp. If it can't run it through bootcamp, chances are it's too high end for a laptop anyway (unless you get a GAMING LAPTOP which your school won't be offering anyway)

Basically there is no reason to not get a macbook because you will have both operating systems (all three if you want linux too, don't forget this), which isn't likely to work the other way around

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#26 June 27, 2008, 04:42:33 am

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Quote from: Lyndon on June 26, 2008, 09:10:39 pm

Mac not very good for CAD

My brother is an architect who works in London and he has a mac and there are no decent sotfware for it. Everyone in the industry uses PC becuase microstation is the leading CAD software

But you know, you can get windows on mac now, so that's not really much of a problem.

If you have the money, go for mac and get both OSX and Windows as you can switch between the two so best of both worlds.

hmm I don't think there is much difference at all really. Plus, have you ever used pro tools? It's the most overhyped piece of garbage ever. It looks like a piece of shit from the mid 90s. It runs on both platforms though. I've read record labels will only record with studios that have pro tools so the studios HAVE to have it, but often may favour other DAWs.

The main disadvantage is that you can only use Logic on Mac and Logic is a fucking awesome DAW. Probably the best there is. Unfortanetley I don't have a mac, but they have them at uni and you can do some awesome shit with it, although there are some things I absolutely despise out it

My brother is a construction worker... He uses Autocad and even on parallels it works fine, so no doubt it'd work on bootcamp.

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#27 June 27, 2008, 07:53:32 am

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Quote from: Velfarre on June 27, 2008, 03:20:51 am

The whole "can't run games" thing pretty much is obsolete with bootcamp. If it can't run it through bootcamp, chances are it's too high end for a laptop anyway (unless you get a GAMING LAPTOP which your school won't be offering anyway)

Basically there is no reason to not get a macbook because you will have both operating systems (all three if you want linux too, don't forget this), which isn't likely to work the other way around

That's very bad reasoning to say that a mac book is better just because it can have both. The macs capable of having windows installed will have far less of a variety of hardware than comparable PC notebooks. I'm assuming he's asking us because he wants one or the other, and not both. Say what you will about OS X vs Windows, but only one company makes macintosh computers, and several thousand make PCs, so there's a lot more choice when it comes to PC notebooks. And as much as having xp on a mac system would help with compatibility, it's still an inconvenience to not only have a second OS, but to have to switch back and forth to and from it.

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#28 June 27, 2008, 10:29:06 am

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I'm assuming you already have a PC/laptop so why not get the macbook and have both?

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#29 June 27, 2008, 11:31:23 am

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Quote from: goat on June 27, 2008, 07:53:32 am

That's very bad reasoning to say that a mac book is better just because it can have both. The macs capable of having windows installed will have far less of a variety of hardware than comparable PC notebooks. I'm assuming he's asking us because he wants one or the other, and not both. Say what you will about OS X vs Windows, but only one company makes macintosh computers, and several thousand make PCs, so there's a lot more choice when it comes to PC notebooks. And as much as having xp on a mac system would help with compatibility, it's still an inconvenience to not only have a second OS, but to have to switch back and forth to and from it.

I wasn't saying it was better "just" because it can have both. Dada's already taken care of everything else. Also, I'm not entirely sure what your "variety of hardware" argument is. Are you talking about accessories like external keyboards and mice (which are entirely compatible), or are you talking about actual hardware like RAM and such? Because either way, I'm not seeing how Macs are at a disadvantage. Now, if we were talking desktops, maybe there'd be more there, but for a laptop? There's not much the Mac isn't going to be able to do from a hardware perspective.

And I don't think he's asking because he only wants one of the OSes over the other. He's asking because his school is offering him both and he doesn't know about Macs so he's wondering what to choose. In which case, picking a Mac would be good for him because he could use both the OS he's curious about and the OS he already knows about. From his situation, being able to have both is a pretty big selling point.

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#30 June 27, 2008, 04:28:46 pm

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Quote from: Rendpppppr on June 26, 2008, 11:41:12 pm

it was a joke because you are the only one here taking this so seriously! honestly I don't know anything about this MAC RIVALRY mac fanboy shit you keep bring up, like I said I just came in here to give my opinion and I posted a bit about my experience with the two systems (this is usually what people do when someone asks their opinion on something)

Okay, I'm sorry about that, then. I'm just tired of debates like this one for two reasons. One is that many people take part in the debate just because they want to vehemently attack the other side. Another is that people usually bring up poor arguments (and I thought your price argument was a bad one, since, well, it just generally isn't true that Macs are more expensive than PCs, regardless of whether one person managed to get a much better deal at some point). Actually, a third reason is the fact that people constantly accuse one another of being idiot fanboys, even when they're just trying to come up with a good argument.

Also yeah, this is probably the most difficult thing to discuss for some reason. It's that bad. I don't think I've ever debated this subject without people throwing a hissy fit at one another for no particular reason.

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#31 June 27, 2008, 06:32:34 pm

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Quote from: Velfarre on June 27, 2008, 11:31:23 am

Also, I'm not entirely sure what your "variety of hardware" argument is. Are you talking about accessories like external keyboards and mice (which are entirely compatible), or are you talking about actual hardware like RAM and such? Because either way, I'm not seeing how Macs are at a disadvantage.

Umm, he wants to play games so most likely the graphics card. If you buy a macbook pro then you are stuck with a 8600M, which, is an alright card but it is nothing special. It can play current games ALRIGHT but don't expect to play any next gen games. It didn't sound like his school was offering him laptops, rather he could pick whatever he wants, including a high end PC gaming laptop.

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#32 June 27, 2008, 07:19:18 pm

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What if someone dabbles in application development, and likes to do lots of hacks and customs to their games and general use applications? Which platform would you say is more "development friendly"?
Also, how does the modular design of a PC or a Mac make a difference when it comes to things like upgrading existing and adding new hardware?

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#33 June 27, 2008, 08:10:59 pm

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Quote from: dom on June 27, 2008, 10:29:06 am

I'm assuming you already have a PC/laptop so why not get the macbook and have both?

well, i got to trade mine in and then I get a new one as per school rules or something like that. so yeah basically I can't choose what I want model-wise i think its just a straight shot between random high end pc and random high end mac.

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#34 June 27, 2008, 08:54:30 pm

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Quote from: Velfarre on June 27, 2008, 11:31:23 am

Are you talking about accessories like external keyboards and mice (which are entirely compatible), or are you talking about actual hardware like RAM and such? Because either way, I'm not seeing how Macs are at a disadvantage.

I was talking about hardware. Theres FAR FAR FAR more configurations of PC laptops than there are for the small range of Mac laptops that are able to run bootcamp, or even the entire range of mac books period. And now that you mention accessories, yes, you will have a far wider choice of accessories due to what few are actually supported on the Mac OS. Also, NO, PC accessories are not "entirely compatible" with the Mac OS. I am definitely seeing a disadvantage here as far as choice, customization, compatibility, and variety.

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#35 June 27, 2008, 09:52:35 pm

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you know when choice, variety and customization decrease compatability increases right?

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#36 June 27, 2008, 09:57:09 pm

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not in terms of drivers. The fact remains that very few devices don't have windows drivers, and a lot of devices only have windows drivers. Also, the days when certain software can only be run on certain hardware are basically gone. It doesn't matter most of the time whether you have Nvidia or ATI (for example), if they have comparable specs, they'll most likely play the same software. Back in the nineties, customizing posed problems, but hardware standards have been set since then. There's protocol.

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#37 June 28, 2008, 01:05:01 am

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For the record, I only voted PC because you're more used to it and you mentioned you wanted to play games. Honestly people make it out like Macs and PCs are polar opposites... they're really not that different. Of course, you could run boot camp on the Mac for your PC games but I've always found dual booting to be a pain in the ass.

If you go the PC route, I'd recommend an HP. They are fantastically designed and a joy to use (at Best Buy mwaha). I don't own a laptop but if I were to go out and buy one it would be an HP.

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#38 June 28, 2008, 03:01:34 am

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Quote from: climbtree on June 27, 2008, 09:52:35 pm

you know when choice, variety and customization decrease compatability increases right?

You're right, proprietary hardware is some of the most compatible of computer components.

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#39 June 28, 2008, 06:25:06 am

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So, essentially, what I can see from this is:

PC is inferior in every way except that it is industry standard, and thus can play most games.
Mac is better in every way, but you may find you need to get different programs than what you're used to if you've been using a PC. However, (apparently, I knew nothing of this before now), by running a dual-boot system, you can have Windows anyway and play games/non-mac programs.

Why can't windows users use OS X as well as windows?

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#40 June 28, 2008, 08:36:13 am

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By the way, the smaller hardware compatibility of Mac does have one advantage: your system's stability will increase because of it. Research has shown that drivers are often incredibly buggy and are the primary reason for crashes. The drivers of Mac-compatible hardware are quite stable due to the fact that a smaller subset of hardware needs to be supported.

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So, essentially, what I can see from this is:

PC is inferior in every way except that it is industry standard, and thus can play most games.
Mac is better in every way, but you may find you need to get different programs than what you're used to if you've been using a PC. However, (apparently, I knew nothing of this before now), by running a dual-boot system, you can have Windows anyway and play games/non-mac programs.

Well, PC is not "inferior in every way", though I find that Mac OS X is a much better operating system than Windows. It's much more enjoyable to use and helps you get things done easier and faster. It has much greater usability.

Also, yes, Macs are actually "just PCs" now. They used to have a vastly different CPU (the PowerPC line) which made it impossible to run Windows or Windows software on it. However, they have since switched to the Intel Core line of CPUs, which makes them compatible with programs compiled for that platform. Windows is one of those programs. Basically, you could simply format your Mac and install Windows on it.

The thing is that Macs being able to run Windows is a form of backwards compatibility. Macs use EFI to boot, while PCs almost exclusively use BIOS. When you boot Windows on a Mac, it uses a special BIOS compatibility mode, because otherwise nothing would happen and Windows would fail to load.

Mac OS X cannot be run on modern PCs because they don't support EFI. (Although they've managed to hack the system to get away from that limitation.)

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