Topic: Progressive Rock (The Best Genre in the World): Symphonic Prog (Read 3138 times)

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This is basically how I feel about a lot of prog. I've tried in vain to listen to it a few times but in terms of being aurally pleasing it's extremely low on the bar. There's no denying that they're fantastic musicians (that video is a solid example) but the fact is it sounds like pretentious people making 'smart' music that's had all the fun sucked out of it.

Perhaps the overtly cheesey sound is what they're going for but it just doesn't work to me. As a listener I want people to do more than have talent, I want to be enthralled and drawn into the music rather than just sitting back and going "shit, these guys are talented" which is about the only emotion prog has ever brought out of me. I can see why some musos would like it for the somewhat experimental ethos and so on behind it, but I can't imagine anyone would listen to it as a primary form of music because it basically has no heart, no subtlety, nothing that I really appreciate in music.

I'm probably not the best person to be even mini-analyzing the genre because maybe I just don't 'get it', but I listen to a lot of music and prog is one of the only ones that's continually disappointed me because although the talent is there it seems almost robotic and formulaic in it's experimental style (which might almost be an oxymoron, but it feels like it's being experimental for the sake of it too much of the time when it tries it), which is a real shame because I think many of the artists have had a lot of potential to make some truly enjoyable music rather than some kind of spectacle of notes.

This is pretty much how I feel.

It's like a load of musicians overtly screaming "HEY, WE'RE AWESOME MUSICIANS!!! CHECK OUT ALL THIS COMPLICATED SHIT WE CAN DO!!!"

There's no subtlety or grace in it imo.

I find that the most intelligent music sounds great on the surface of things, you can digest it becuase it's based on a simple idea (this is how the human psyche approaches these things), yet over listening and re-listening you discover parts of it which you didn't notice the first time. You begin to realise that there is an element of genious of how the song is constructed and put together in a very clever, yet subtle way.

It's kind of like the difference between Michael Bay films and Stanley Kubrick films.  Michael Bay uses crazy explosions, mental camera angles and tons of short cuts all over the place to gain the attention of the viewers. Kubrick will lead you in very slowly giving the viewer the intelligence to breathe and try and understand what its all about. There is also a subtle theme that lies beneath the surface and takes a few watches to fully understand imo.

This is personal opinion obviously
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Hey wash have you heard this song?
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oh man no, I'd only heard about that. Probably John Wetton at his craziest lyrically though. I don't know what his fucking deal was though... I mean Asia. COME ON. For someone with the prowess and inventiveness and the musical tactfulness yet raw energy that he had to do what he did with his later career is just saddening. Oh well, I guess Fripp just rubs some people the wrong way lol

but yeah if you think that prog as a genre as lacking subtlety and grace you're listening to the wrong bands. granted this is my opinion but the only things worth listening to are about 2 albums by jethro tull (thick as a brick and aqualung), 3 albums by genesis (foxtrot, selling england by the pound and a trick of the tail) and everything king crimson did in the 70s except for Islands and Lizards.
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I don't really dig progressive rock nearly as much as some people could or might assume I do. The only 70s prog bands I even listen to nowadays are King Crimson, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull, and I don't listen to them nearly as much as I listen to many other bands. I still like to occasionally listen to Camel, Gentle Giant or Genesis but I'm not a fan or anything. I basically dislike almost every modern prog band who try to sound like 70s prog. They aren't unique, they don't make memorable music and are trying way too hard. Stuff like The Flower Kings, Änglagård, Spock's Beard and so on, I just can't bring myself to be interested in these kind of bands anymore. On the other hand, I can stand band likes Anekdoten (and to lesser extent, Arena) who have at least discovered their own sound but again, I'm not really a fan. If I discovered them now, I probably wouldn't be bothered with them anymore.

I also think it's pretty stupid to think being experimental equals to being prog. Prog is one of those genres which is kinda hard to define because it doesn't really have its own definite sound and you see the word prog thrown around a lot and it's become hard to even tell what's prog and what isn't. I don't seriously really even care anymore, I just know I don't care for the kind of prog which is more about showing off rather than writing good music. I don't really care about how complicated the music is, I don't care if the songs are short or long as long as they are good.

I'm into more modern music which isn't really all that similar to 70s prog, or in most cases not similar at all. Artists who don't try to be prog or sound like the bands in the 70s did, basically artists who are just doing their own thing and if they are called prog for it, then so be it. If you guys are interested in what kind of music I'm talking about, I can elaborate.

EDIT: By the way, I don't mean that 70's prog is all that wankery (though I don't really find most of it that interesting tbh), most of it just isn't my cup of tea anymore.
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ya he did the same at the show i was at
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I really like lots of these bands. Also, the album you didn't mention of Harmonium, their first album, is GREAT except its very lyric-oriented, which isn't really good if you dont understand french. I have a few songs from Baccamarte but didn't listen to em yet. Also make sure you mention ITALIAN PROG at one point, like Premiata Forneria Marconi.
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oh

I thought the power ranger dude got hold of him
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shit seems pretty gay

Edit: Uh to elaborate it seems like the same bullshit that makes me pessimistic about the whole IDM movement, like I really don't get the whole using rock instruments to be all boodeeboodeeboo all over the place (like someone said it thinks it's jazz but it's not) I don't think the whole DRIVING nature of rock can be so complex and not just end up sounding chaotic instead of moving or relaxing etc. I know I mention venetian snares a lot but his stuff and breakcore in general I think it's a more natural evolution of things than all the post-Autechre dudes that sprang up in the '00s, using the complexity of it for chaotic/manic/humorous purpose instead of 'look what I can do' (Stuart from Mad TVs) I'm not the biggest fan of Autechre but I can see the appeal if I'm right in thinking their intent is to make very upsetting music (complexity as chaotic music but in a different way) and not like whoa those are sum rad beats. I also don't like Squarepusher very much for the record. Boards of Canada are ok but they sort of ran out of ideas after their first album imo, they'd have to do something ridiculously different to interest me whenever the next album comes out. Seems like most of the oldbies of IDM are doing less complex and more 'personal' stuff currently

Edit: also f u guys armadillo tank is the only good cover out of the whole collection
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man it's so intensely strange and depressing to be reading a topic you think is recent and then to suddenly see a steel post.

yeah. also on a more selfish level to realise i've been posting here more than two years :(

i think there are still some prog guys around though so what do y'all think of albert marcoeur?? i heard a few of his songs and liked them a lot, they are pretty complex and have those chamber and jazz influences but are actually good and crazy and wasted sounding instead of being humourless public-school boys faffing about.


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Changes and what not. Though Ed made his own site that some are migrating too. I post on both. Prefer the general set up of Ed's place, though this one technically has more activity. (URL is glitchworks.net FYI)