Experimental is a much much more broader thing. The music I play is experimental, and it isn't prog.
There are loads of thing that are experimental and not prog. And vice versa.

dp knows fuck all about punk rock though and if there's one argument more tired than PROG MORE LIKE BORING TECH WANKERY it's PUNK IS LOUD.

That's pretty much it, I don't know anything about punk except that I don't like it.  Besides, if I were to post "I don't like punk here are 4 long paragraphs why" the post would have zero value to anyone who's into punk. No one will gain anything from me doing that and people will just be annoyed because "heh... HEH... well I DON'T like punk... it's loud and simple heh..." it makes me look like a jackass.

Just like you've shitted this topic up. I first read it hoping to maybe discover some cool new bands, discuss some prog and have a good time. But besides the inital article all I got are 2 pages of replies "prog is not good... heh... i know better,,,, ´heh you're music has no value". It's fucking irritating, you've made it very clear you don't like prog, now go post about proto-punk or something.

I heard some magma, Mekaniw Destrucaosiwiw kommandoshhb, and I sort of liked how it sounded first, made me think of COMUS which I really like. But then it sort of bored me, all songs sounded sort of alike to me!
How different is their earlier stuff? I think ill try some other albums if I can find them. I like univers Zero, though I heard almost nothing by them. These bands are hard to find...*COUGH*

That's pretty much it, I don't know anything about punk except that I don't like it.  Besides, if I were to post "I don't like punk here are 4 long paragraphs why" the post would have zero value to anyone who's into punk. No one will gain anything from me doing that and people will just be annoyed because "heh... HEH... well I DON'T like punk... it's loud and simple heh..." it makes me look like a jackass.

Just like you've shitted this topic up. I first read it hoping to maybe discover some cool new bands, discuss some prog and have a good time. But besides the inital article all I got are 2 pages of replies "prog is not good... heh... i know better,,,, ´heh you're music has no value". It's fucking irritating, you've made it very clear you don't like prog, now go post about proto-punk or something.

I actually somewhat agree with this. do we really need another PROG=TECH WANKERY argument? like, I'd like to get into a discussion as to why this kind of weird subculture might actually NOT BE GOOD or IS GOOD, but it's impossible to do when everyone does the same thing in both topics. thanks for the unique opinion shep.

LETS HAVE A BLACK METAL DISCUSSION DID YOU KNOW THEY SOUND HARSH.

I actually somewhat agree with this. do we really need another PROG=TECH WANKERY argument? like, I'd like to get into a discussion as to why this kind of weird subculture might actually NOT BE GOOD or IS GOOD, but it's impossible to do when everyone does the same thing in both topics. thanks for the unique opinion shep.

it is not my concern whether we need "another PROG=TECH WANKERY argument", I'm going to be straight with what I want to say. I dont nor wont go thinking about the morality or essence or whatsoever of the discussion.

besides, what unique opinion? my opinion is pretty standard, stupid.

yeah thanks for it again. seriously you've been pulling this shit in multiple topics, I don't know if you've realized this yet but we don't fucking care about your opinion (the UNIQUE part was sarcasm tex) when its the same predictable shit and seriously if there was a No Music Forum group I'd nominate for you.

yeah thanks for it again. seriously you've been pulling this shit in multiple topics, I don't know if you've realized this yet but we don't fucking care about your opinion (the UNIQUE part was sarcasm tex) when its the same predictable shit and seriously if there was a No Music Forum group I'd nominate for you.

as if I give a fuck whether you care about my opinions or not. I think YOU haven't realised this yet.
and I know how to identify sarcasm NO NEED TO POINT IT OUT SIR.


also, STOP GOING OUT OF TOPIC LMAO

Yeah but according to Bravo's definition prog and experimental are the same thing.

I was being a dumbass, experimental and prog aren't the same thing but they aren't separate either ftw.

Also, finally back from long vaca without GW access.........it was nice. Also, Dun is really good, check it out guys. I listened to it more, and its grown on me. Give it at least three listens (close listens). The songs either make sense, or I was fucked up that day.

Zeuhl was developed by the band Magma, whose albums are all related in that they chronicle the mythology of the planet Kobaia. This is not important in understanding their music however, as the lyrics are sung in Kobaian, a language created by Christian Vander, drummer, leader, and only constant force behind the band during its existance.

fuckin prog

this shit is on par with playing world of warcraft and reading dragonlance novels, way to make rock not rock.

Why weren't they more creative with their album covers? Half of them are the same with a different color scheme.

I wouldn't exactly call Magma rock, y'know lol genres. I hate em.
Magma Live is great and I would recommend everyone to check it out, it's more of a jazz/fusion album. Jazz with Kobaian chanting. It's really cool. Likewise a lot of the other groups seem to be more jazz based than rock, Zao and Weidorje essentially being great fusion bands. Much closer to that than Prog, but prog itself is a gay/vague term. Maybe for the genre whores amung you these'd be avant-guard jazz-rock or something. Like I say, hate genres and if you're not trying stuff out because of whatever misconceptions you have due to their genre, you're an idiot.

I wouldn't exactly call Magma rock, y'know lol genres. I hate em.
Magma Live is great and I would recommend everyone to check it out, it's more of a jazz/fusion album. Jazz with Kobaian chanting. It's really cool. Likewise a lot of the other groups seem to be more jazz based than rock, Zao and Weidorje essentially being great fusion bands. Much closer to that than Prog, but prog itself is a gay/vague term. Maybe for the genre whores amung you these'd be avant-guard jazz-rock or something. Like I say, hate genres and if you're not trying stuff out because of whatever misconceptions you have due to their genre, you're an idiot.

Seriously this is some of the most pretentious and unlistenable crap I've ever heard.

Those were kinda crappy examples, but listen to this:


And of course, if something isn't your cup of musical tea, then don't listen to it. Unfortunately, you'll be missing out on some great shit.

Those were kinda crappy examples, but listen to this:

And of course, if something isn't your cup of musical tea, then don't listen to it. Unfortunately, you'll be missing out on some great shit.

Seriously? I'm not trying to shit on your thread or anything but these guys are intentionally avoiding any kind of coherent melody and the whole made-up language thing is kitschy and kinda leads me to believe that they don't have anything interesting to say to begin with.

Try listening to CAN, you'd probably dig that group. They played more listenable jams(some pretty glaring exceptions though) and their singer was a japanese/german habitual mushrooms user so he had an excuse for not making any sense sometimes.

made up language is comprable to the scat singing in normal jazz, more for atmosphere and melody than lyrical content.
no melody in most cases with magma, i don't mind though.
not a fan of CAN or any of the Krautrock genre, it sounds too much like stoner jamming for my taste.

Christian Vander is basically one of them guys who in the 60's believes to have discovered the secrets of the universe etc. The music is essentially like WORLD PEACE set through a sci-fi vision, very similar to Sun Ra with elements of Daevid Allen.
It's also worth mentioning that Magma are really an album band(their labums tend to sound like one long song broken down into seperate pieces), and while in short 5 minute sections may seem melody-less, the sound really comes together as a whole on the albums, though live they are more energetic and fun. Check out Magma Live, as that is truely their best example of this.

Weidorje and Zao are far more accessable as they're more on the fusion side as they aren't under Vander's strict leadership.