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Wil

#21 July 07, 2008, 05:23:52 pm

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Quote from: Velfarre on July 07, 2008, 05:10:15 pm

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But that is kind of what I mean though, that's something you might find on youtube that would be embarassing if people knew, but you sure as hell won't find that in the library.

Ya I mean that's true, I was just saying it's logically the same thing and for some reason I thought the library example would appear more outrageous.

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#22 July 07, 2008, 05:44:34 pm

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Lord Kamina

#23 July 07, 2008, 05:46:14 pm

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Historically, empires fall in decadency... Why should the US be different?

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#24 July 07, 2008, 06:51:14 pm

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Quote from: NinjaPirate on July 07, 2008, 05:12:01 pm

this has nothing to do with the government[/size]

note how the information is only being released to VIACOM, INC which is the plaintiff, the government isn't and won't be getting the data.

edit: wtf did ANYONE in this topic actually read the article

Dude it's still a MAJOR breach of privacy regardless of who reads it. instead of people worrying about having uncle sam breathing down their necks with "HO YOURE A TERRORIST GEORGE BUSH IS NOT FROM THE ZOO!" it's instead gunna be creepy sid from legal department breathing down their necks with "You watched this high quality program, "friends" without paying these fine actors. Gimmie your money, your mortgage and your house"
EXAGGERATION DEPARTMENT at work here, but you get the picture. Regardless of who gets the info, the fact that they are getting it is very bad.

Also very few people mentioned G.g..g...government.

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#25 July 07, 2008, 07:31:13 pm

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Quote from: INTERROBANG on July 07, 2008, 05:12:01 pm

this has nothing to do with the government[/size]

note how the information is only being released to VIACOM, INC which is the plaintiff, the government isn't and won't be getting the data.

edit: wtf did ANYONE in this topic actually read the article

According to oblivion (the IRC guy), big corporations will eventually replace the US government and have their private armies. It's a shame we never got around to making that game...

On a more serious note, this is pretty lame. I don't really care if they monitor my youtube activities as they wouldn't focus on one of the millions of users, but I'm concerned about the general trend of decreasing internet anonymity and privacy.

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#26 July 07, 2008, 07:41:23 pm

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I mostly watch gameplay vids and some amusing vids like a Plane about to take off and blowing the people nearby into the sea, (hilarious.) So, if they're gonna question me what I learned in what game and how to beat something that certain way, then wow... what is this world coming to... O_o; Like what are they gonna arrest me for, watching some Final Fantasy ending, and they accuse me for cheating and not beating the game... Christ...

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#27 July 07, 2008, 08:16:13 pm

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Quote from: radio_raheem on July 07, 2008, 07:20:33 pm

Viacom isn't going to sue you and take your house away for watching dumb animes on youtube. They're trying to build a case in order to sue the owners of youtube for not doing enough about copyright infringement. If you're embarrassed that some company might know you actively search for yiff fetish videos on the internet then be a little more discreet about your perversions.

yeah i was going to say something like this (Actually i was thinking something like this and wasn't really going to reply at all). you're not oing to wake up oneday to find VIACOM AGENTS kicking down your door HEY STICKE EM UP WE CAUGHT YOU WATCHING SPNGEBOB ON YOUTUBE. that isn't going to do anything and the companies pretty much know it. they want to go to the SOURCE (or whate they believe is the source). the data they're collecting is to GET YOUTUBE not to GET YOU.

stuff like this doesn't really bother me for reasons like that and on some levels i totally get what these companies are doing. but realistically they're just wasting their time. instead they should learn to accept and embrace this kind of stuff and turn it to make a profit. they';re very stuck in their old ways and going after youtube and google and shit isn't really going to do much for them in the long run.

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Lord Kamina

#28 July 07, 2008, 09:02:09 pm

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Limiting the internet is and always will be stupid.

At this rate, they're only gonna make the internet collapse upon itself... Limiting content to certain countries only, breaching the privacy of users, etc...

Quote from: 2Beers on May 11, 2007, 06:38:02 pm

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#29 July 07, 2008, 09:16:28 pm

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no one can bring down google

this will go nowhere.....

also this is dumb but I don't really care, I'll start caring when canada starts caring

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#30 July 07, 2008, 09:36:49 pm

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Quote from: radio_raheem on July 07, 2008, 07:20:33 pm

Viacom isn't going to sue you and take your house away for watching dumb animes on youtube. They're trying to build a case in order to sue the owners of youtube for not doing enough about copyright infringement. If you're embarrassed that some company might know you actively search for yiff fetish videos on the internet then be a little more discreet about your perversions.

Quote from: missingno on July 07, 2008, 08:16:13 pm

yeah i was going to say something like this (Actually i was thinking something like this and wasn't really going to reply at all). you're not oing to wake up oneday to find VIACOM AGENTS kicking down your door HEY STICKE EM UP WE CAUGHT YOU WATCHING SPNGEBOB ON YOUTUBE. that isn't going to do anything and the companies pretty much know it. they want to go to the SOURCE (or whate they believe is the source). the data they're collecting is to GET YOUTUBE not to GET YOU.

stuff like this doesn't really bother me for reasons like that and on some levels i totally get what these companies are doing. but realistically they're just wasting their time. instead they should learn to accept and embrace this kind of stuff and turn it to make a profit. they';re very stuck in their old ways and going after youtube and google and shit isn't really going to do much for them in the long run.

Pretty much this. The entire scenario is and will be irrelevant to 99% of society at large. People sure love their bitching and fearmongering.

Thank God for radio_raheem and missingno being the only voices of reason in this topic.

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#31 July 07, 2008, 10:27:53 pm

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Lawyers for Google Inc., which owns YouTube, said producing 12 terabytes of data -- equivalent to the text of roughly 12 million books -- would be expensive, time-consuming and a threat to users' privacy.

Oh wow, enjoy sifting through that data.

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#32 July 07, 2008, 10:32:52 pm

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Quote from: dragonx on July 07, 2008, 09:16:28 pm

no one can bring down google

Thats because its Google Baby! (unless they had a +9 Google slaying sword

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Seriously though, I'm not phased, let em look, I hardly watch anything on youtube anyway.

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#33 July 07, 2008, 11:15:36 pm

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A company trying to attack the internet because people are looking at stuff for free. What's new about that.
STOP NOT GIVING ME MONEY ARGH OH I KNOW LETS SUE GOOGLE FOR A ZILLION MEGADOLLARS

Unless it results in all of my videos being deleted because they got copyrighted music in the background, I don't really care.

And for the breach of privacy part, yeah that's pretty bad because it sets yet another precedent of that shit. But bah google will prolly be able to like force them to only take the raw numbers of views to videos and not the individual people watching them, since its the only part they care about anyways.

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#34 July 08, 2008, 05:02:38 am

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Dismissing privacy concerns, a federal judge overseeing a $1 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the popular online video-sharing service to disclose who watches which video clips and when.

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U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton authorized full access to the YouTube logs after Viacom Inc. and other copyright holders argued that they needed the data to show whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips.

OMFGOBJECTION!!!1. I smell a contradiction. Either the media is blowing this case out of proportion, or Viacom is actually asking for that information. I'd understand raw numbers, because that would prove 'whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips" but anything more than that is intrusive.

Why would Viacom want user information and timestamps (proof of viewing) if they weren't going to try to flag down the users in any way?

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Unless it results in all of my videos being deleted because they got copyrighted music in the background, I don't really care.

That would be fucking messed up.

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#35 July 08, 2008, 06:28:55 pm

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I don't like any invasion of privacy at all, whether it be my friends looking into my window to see what I am doing, or this whole youtube thing. I just want my privacy to be respected.

Quote from: Frankie on July 07, 2008, 11:15:36 pm

Unless it results in all of my videos being deleted because they got copyrighted music in the background, I don't really care.

I'd hate for my videos to be deleted because of copyrighted music.

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#36 July 08, 2008, 06:47:02 pm

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Well I know some countries are way more strict as far as copyright goes. Like in France, I heard that barber shops have to pay if they want to make music play for their customers while they do their work. I find this a little hard to believe though...! (any french people here to confirm this...?)

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#37 July 08, 2008, 06:52:29 pm

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I've been to France, I tell you it's true. They also charge customers just to sit down at cafe shops too, seriously.

However the question now is will Viacom Inc. win.

A tool is a tool regardless. I mean if you suck, you suck, and not even the most perfect tool could save you. And if your damn good then even with the worst tool ever conceived you could chug out some high quality shit.

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#38 July 08, 2008, 07:59:39 pm

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Quote from: Lord Kamina on July 07, 2008, 09:02:09 pm

At this rate, they're only gonna make the internet collapse upon itself... Limiting content to certain countries only, breaching the privacy of users, etc...

Don't worry too much. The internet wasn't built for censorship.

It's like trying to take down a fighter jet with an air gun.

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#39 July 09, 2008, 12:38:38 am

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The internet wasn't built for censorship, but that means it should be built for piracy?

This is other people's intellectual properties and Viacom's as the vanguard for those rights is trying to make a case that the industry is being financially damaged because of youtube's lax policing of copy infringement. This is a civil court case and Viacom needs to justify its financial damages of up to one billion dollars due to youtube. To do that they need to prove that these video's in of themselves steal a significant audience from standard viewing via regular hours or with a tivo. That's why they would need the numbers, and I can understand why they aren't going to just take youtube's word for it and verify those numbers themselves.

They could in theory go after every illicit content uploader and they would be welcome to subpoena youtube for the appropriate information needed to identify the user in question. Obviously the problem is so sweeping that Viacom has decided to sue youtube directly for not adequately respecting copyright laws on its site by purging illicit materials in a timely manner. Also this is an enormous amount of data and the likelihood of viacom to take time out of the compilation of their court case to catalogue individual viewing usage i.e. "gee 65.076.234 sure likes Bushhitler videos" would be a total waste of their time. A billion dollars is at stake. No time to be petty or play master spy. This is an ongoing trial and they have a deadline to crunch their numbers for evidence.

Google is making a mockery of common sense bringing up that this is a privacy issue, as if viacom cares that I have a thing for Jessica Alba when a billion dollars is at stake. Frankly I can't even bring up crocodile tears for them since they threw principles into the wind to help China stifle the internet access of all its trouble makers who have this crazy idea that Mao Tse Tung slaughtered millions of people.

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#40 July 09, 2008, 12:48:08 am

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Hmm, so this is what all the Viacom boycotts are about, huh?
YouTube regulars (mostly directors) are pretty mad about this.

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