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if everybody listened to the same music then I couldn't be smug with thinking that I listen to better music than most people

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and couldn't make fun of power metal..
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The funny thing about this topic is that Fire mage isn't trying to discredit just any band, but THE CLASH and LONDON CALLING.
Good laughs.

Foo Fighters is empty of content, ESPECIALLY when comparing to a band so historic as The Clash, a band that initiated punk together with the Sex pistols and then with London Calling they became the pioneers of what we nowadays call punk (y'know, not just simple three chord processions and more eclectic and innovative songs).
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I'm not nearly as active as I should be so I probably miss out on a lot of stuff, but aren't you the same guy who said LISTEN TO MUSIC BECAUSE IT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU or something?
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I'm not nearly as active as I should be so I probably miss out on a lot of stuff, but aren't you the same guy who said LISTEN TO MUSIC BECAUSE IT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU or something?
EDIT: wait, I read it wrong. No, I didn't say that.
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and couldn't make fun of power metal..
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EDIT: wait, I read it wrong. No, I didn't say that.

What.  I could swear you have said this 10000s of times.
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I might have said I LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, which is different.
I really don't remember saying that, so basically it doesn't matter, because I don't remember, hence, not in my mindframe.
I'm not contradicting myself whether I said it or not, and sustain the statement that it is stupid to discredit a band of such historic importance.
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I might have said I LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, which is different.
I really don't remember saying that, so basically it doesn't matter, because I don't remember, hence, not in my mindframe.
I'm not contradicting myself whether I said it or not, and sustain the statement that it is stupid to discredit a band of such historic importance.
i'm jumping in because i get your argument of the clash's influence (and i know they influenced a lot!!) but....

say something happened and fall out boy ended up as the basis/big influence for basically every band from now on...would their "importance" make them good....no!

now that's a really dumb situation but i'm just saying, influence does not equal "everyone should like/respect/listen to them" type of stuff. i'm not completely discrediting them anymore (still haven't listened to London Calling) but just relax!

not everyone in the world actually likes the clash. so idk man. i mean tons of people hate modest mouse or pink floyd or led zeppelin or dinosaur jr or anything.
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i'm jumping in because i get your argument of the clash's influence (and i know they influenced a lot!!) but....

say something happened and fall out boy ended up as the basis/big influence for basically every band from now on...would their "importance" make them good....no!

now that's a really dumb situation but i'm just saying, influence does not equal "everyone should like/respect/listen to them" type of stuff. i'm not completely discrediting them anymore (still haven't listened to London Calling) but just relax!

not everyone in the world actually likes the clash. so idk man. i mean tons of people hate modest mouse or pink floyd or led zeppelin or dinosaur jr or anything.
I fucking hate metal. But I sure admit that Black Sabbath, Metallica, Iron Maiden are historic bands, and don't deny their importance.
But why are they important, one might ask. It has to do with creativity, content, historical context, so forth.
I don't really dig Sex Pistols and The Ramones, but I consider them untouchables for what they did to punk. And I love The Clash because with London Calling they initiated the punk of the 80s, which is imo the best punk era.

So Foo Fighters, that band is bland, they just sound formulaic, it doesn't impress me. It is easy listening, only just a bit heavier. By easy listening I mean it isn't challenging, y'know, not challenging for the listener.
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yeah i get it it so idk w/e.

like i said though, i understand their influence and importance, i just can't find myself get into them. i'll check out the album eventually so who knows but, yeah that's about it. i don't really know how to wrap it up.
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I fucking hate metal. But I sure admit that Black Sabbath, Metallica, Iron Maiden are historic bands, and don't deny their importance.
man i like metal and i think they all suck heh

i'm not going to say they are bad but they are just so incredibly boring to me, just like 99% of 80s heavy metal is. although black sabbath is more than that.

Even if some band is influential, that doesn't mean you have to like it. I don't think Fire Mage is saying The Clash are bad, just not his cup of tea. Them being influential doesn't really change anything about that.
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man i like metal and i think they all suck heh

i'm not going to say they are bad but they are just so incredibly boring to me, just like 99% of 80s heavy metal is. although black sabbath is more than that.

Even if some band is influential, that doesn't mean you have to like it. I don't think Fire Mage is saying The Clash are bad, just not his cup of tea. Them being influential doesn't really change anything about that.
Yeah thanks! That's pretty much it.

Except you know, the beginning of the argument where I got "angry" with "the clash isn't that good!" etc...

but...yeah. anyway i'm done now. i think this topic should be over!
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you know panda brought up a point that i relate to which is that i can really understand not being able to get into the clash! like as accessible as london calling/combat rock is to me it is a pretty abrasive musical aesthetic and just very foreign and harsh if it's totally unfamiliar to you. i mean, one time my dad asked me what shoegaze was and i played some mbv track because i thought it was a good example in addition to being pretty universally listenable, but he totally did not get what i saw in it.  this does not mean he has laughably bad taste or anything, just that it is completely different music than what he is accustomed to.  similarly the clash is pretty far from pop in attitude and in some respects in sound (strummer's vocals were pointed out as being kind of SPITTY and MUMBLING or whatever, and i would say it's true that his vocals are pretty distant from most pop music), and i don't think a high school kid with a casual interest in music -- as opposed to an OBSESSIVE interest, which most posters in this topic (including myself) possess --  is really worthy of mockery for not being able to immediately appreciate the clash's sound.

on the other hand, i think it's important to constantly expand and refine one's taste in all artforms. additionally, i have trouble conceptualizing a thorough interest in music that does not include the clash. but it's important to start exploring music beginning with bands you know.  i believe (perhaps naively) that research and interest into pretty much any genre of music, or into any artform really, will eventually result in the discovery of good music no matter what direction you pursue. unless you are some crazy metal nerd i do not get those guys at all (then again i have known crazy metal nerds to suddenly BREAK THROUGH and start listening to other styles of music which i have more respect for). so yeah i would say that it doesn't really matter what you're ilstening to now as long as you maintain an interest in expanding your tastes and seeking out new music. i personally would recommend following channels like modest mouse rather than alien ant farm but i idealistically believe that you'll get there regardless!

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Oh yeah, even if Fire Mage doesn't like The Clash now, that doesn't mean he can't ever like them. I think almost anyone can like them. There are so many genres and bands I originally did not enjoy but I grew to like them through repeated listens or other bands which were closer to my own taste but were also similar to the kind of music I wasn't accustomed to. But even though you can grow to like something you initially didn't, that doesn't mean it's going to be case with everything. Some music just doesn't click with some people. And for example, I think my musical taste is really broad and I listen to almost anything but even so, I still have my favorite bands and maybe even favorite genres, although I kinda have no idea what my favorite genre is right now. But for instance, I definitely listen to modern rock, electronica or metal more than I listen to, say, hip-hop, jazz or punk. I would be lying if I said I liked jazz or punk as much as rock. But I do listen to all that, some in smaller doses but I think there are artists I really like in almost all genres.

I started to a bit off-topic there but basically my point was that even though you have some genres or artists you might prefer over others, you can definitely like any kind of music because there's good music in all genres. So basically what idiotkid said. And besides, I think it's actually really interesting to keep listening different kind of artists even if it's completely different from what you usually listen to and just keep doing and discovering new muzaks then a year later you can think back how much your taste has changed and what kind of stuff you have started to get into.
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hahaha you know what i meant

but yeah thanks for all that. as i said modest mouse is pretty much my favorite over everything else anyway so yeah i'm not DIE-HARD NEW FOUND GLORY FAN or something...i'm pretty crazy for MM!
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Oh yeah, even if Fire Mage doesn't like The Clash now, that doesn't mean he can't ever like them. I think almost anyone can like them. There are so many genres and bands I originally did not enjoy but I grew to like them through repeated listens or other bands which were closer to my own taste but were also similar to the kind of music I wasn't accustomed to. But even though you can grow to like something you initially didn't, that doesn't mean it's going to be case with everything. Some music just doesn't click with some people. And for example, I think my musical taste is really broad and I listen to almost anything but even so, I still have my favorite bands and maybe even favorite genres, although I kinda have no idea what my favorite genre is right now. But for instance, I definitely listen to modern rock, electronica or metal more than I listen to, say, hip-hop, jazz or punk. I would be lying if I said I liked jazz or punk as much as rock. But I do listen to all that, some in smaller doses but I think there are artists I really like in almost all genres.

I started to a bit off-topic there but basically my point was that even though you have some genres or artists you might prefer over others, you can definitely like any kind of music because there's good music in all genres. So basically what idiotkid said. And besides, I think it's actually really interesting to keep listening different kind of artists even if it's completely different from what you usually listen to and just keep doing and discovering new muzaks then a year later you can think back how much your taste has changed and what kind of stuff you have started to get into.

That's how he keeps getting everyone into PT (he got me I admit...)
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i was actually going to come home and make the post darkwhite made but since he is a thunder-stealing faggot i guess now i don't have to!  seriously though i like heckling a lot but it is not as if i do not understand this.  what i told darkwhite, specifically, was that i thought that for people like us and a lot of other people on gw, who spend a lot of their time listening to some pretty strange shit, other more casual music fans' tastes can often seem ridiculous.  like, it's easy for us to forget that four or five years ago, most of us were probably listening to shitty music, or at the very least stuff that is a lot more accessible than what we listen to now.

like, i call the clash accessible and catchy because they are, but this is coming from the perspective of a dude who is pretty into atypical rock bands, so even while saying it i can understand how someone would just find it difficult to get into.  i remember in 2001 or so, when i was about fifteen and the moon and antarctica had just recently come out, i tried listening to the stars are projectors and just... couldn't.  i didn't think it was bad and i knew it was PRETTY GOOD according to what everyone was telling me, but i couldn't get into it.  yet now it is like one of my favorite songs ever so you know, i don't really hold it again teenagers for having taste in music that isn't particularly refined or honed to the point where they can listen to/appreciate/enjoy any random rock band, no matter abrasive/inaccessible/out there it is.
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How are bands like Maroon 5 shit?  Granted I don't like them but does that make them shit?  What is shit about them (I am serious I want to know)?
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