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Strangeluv

#1 August 19, 2008, 05:42:26 pm

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I am interested in knowing your thoughts about Crash (2004). I'm not looking for a debate or anything - I'm just curious. When I saw it in the cinema, I thought it was a pretty cool movie, though manipulative and shit with underlying message "Heh we are all racist!" but tell me why you think it's so horrible. Was it because it had bla*ks in it

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headphonics

#2 August 19, 2008, 07:03:40 pm

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was that the underlying message? i mean i am asking this because it seems like that was too much of a given to really be the statement it was trying to make. i thought it was something else, like WE ARE ALL RACIST, BUT............

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Strangeluv

#3 August 19, 2008, 07:10:24 pm

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(since this thread is solely about Crash, I'm guessing I don't have to spoilers?)

Well maybe "We are all racist... but we can be better?? But still a little racist" like uh Sandra Bullock's character hugged that Mexican maid when all her friends left her. And when Ryan Phillipe, who was supposed to be like the not-racist, shot that black guy when he thought he was going to take out the gun.. heh, guess we're all racist?

But seriously, I liked the movie. I really liked the Terrence Howard and Matt Dillon scenes and 'bullet cloak' scene almost made me cry lol But then again, I don't watch the movie as like "a commentary about racism" but just a movie about intersecting characters.

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#4 August 19, 2008, 07:21:13 pm

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I'm in the process of writing an article that talks about this and it should be up later today so YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT.

But yeah, basically the message is just HEY EVERYBODY'S RACIST and it lacks any sense of subtlety and it just seems really, really fake to me. I didn't always HATE it but it is so massively overrated that over time I just started to dislike it more and more for getting all this undeserved credit and I'm just kind of tired of it! Normally at this point I would say "also I'm a douchebag" but seriously fuck this movie.

It also thinks it is the most important movie ever, seriously.

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#5 August 19, 2008, 07:48:20 pm

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"MOM IM FUCKIN A WITE GIRL"
"WHAT I'M NOT WHITE I'M HISPANIC RACIST"
"NO BUT IM JUS TELLIN MAH NIGGA MOMZ I FUCK A WITE GIRL"

I expected a movie just like Babel with interconnecting characters and instead I got a fake racist message.

I really liked the hispanic dude tho.

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Roman

#6 August 19, 2008, 07:53:30 pm

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also they killed o-dog, fuck that

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Strangeluv

#7 August 19, 2008, 08:03:08 pm

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Yeah it didn't deserve the Best Pic or anything

Also I didn't get Ludacris' character. He talks about how the black man is oppressed and how black folk should be scared of white folk and then he jacks a car

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Lyndon

#8 August 19, 2008, 08:05:34 pm

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I haven't seen this film, but I've heard its awful from everyone who I've asked about it. Maybe they were all bitching becuase it won best picture. Either way I want to see it to make my own mind up.

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Strangeluv

#9 August 19, 2008, 08:07:02 pm

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Don't listen to them. They're either Annie Proulx or Brokeback fanboys

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#10 August 20, 2008, 12:26:36 am

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the whole SPECTACLE is kinda good, it's too bad the premise sucks

edit: who didn't have a tear in their eye when the Persian guy almost shot the little girl...

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#11 August 20, 2008, 01:28:09 am

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I enjoyed the movie. I was 100% focused on the movie, and it really drew me in. It was a very emotional film for me. I thought it was really well done.

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#12 August 20, 2008, 01:54:18 am

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it's a terrible movie that treats race like Meet the Spartans treats humor and yet got critical accolades, not much more complex than that.

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headphonics

#13 August 20, 2008, 03:35:01 am

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Quote from: Pidgeotto221 on August 20, 2008, 01:54:18 am

it's a terrible movie that treats race like Meet the Spartans treats humor and yet got critical accolades, not much more complex than that.

what does this even mean

AND ALSO if the point was just we're all racist then i would think it was pretty weak but i feel like that is taking it at face value a bit too much! maybe i will watch it again because like i said i barely remember anything about it but still. i mean it is not a bad premise since like 99% of people are racist to some extent and will deny it to their graves the vast majority of the time, and it would be USEFUL if they were at least aware of it, but yeah it was pretty blunt i guess and it would've benefited from more subtlety. i didn't really mind that at the time though because it didn't seem like EVERYONE IS RACIST was the core point so there wasn't any reason for them not state it bluntly since it seemed like it was just the setup. i didn't especially think of it as that preachy since i didn't really fully understand what exactly it was trying to say beyond the fact that everyone is being racist. it was pretty vague like that, so i could see why you would dislike it because of that.

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#14 August 20, 2008, 03:58:29 am

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It is taking it at face value because there's absolutely no depth to this movie.

Ok give it like ten minutes my article is going up soon, I just need to upload pictures.

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headphonics

#15 August 20, 2008, 04:03:27 am

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maybe you just dontget it???

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#16 August 20, 2008, 04:03:42 am

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i mean i am joking but i seriously seem to recall there being more to the movie than that!

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#17 August 20, 2008, 04:04:29 am

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I didn't like Crash either. I thought it was preachy and hollow, shallow narratively and with really trite characters. I agree with Roman wholeheartedly when he says "fuck this movie". I wasn't really paying huge attention and didn't fully get the whole racist subtext the first time I saw it and I just thought to myself, "OK here I am ready to 'soak it all in'...Oh wait these people are all stupid, and rich people hate the poor people because apparently -in this movie- poor people are stupid (hence why they are poor amirite)" A second viewing warranted a more critical opinion of the ACTUAL theme and composition of the film (at which point I had actually recieved some training in film analysis). Maybe I just couldn't shake my original opinion, but I still thought that it was a diffuse attempt at trying to make the "really guys this is deep smart people (or people pretending to be smart) will really like this movie" movie.

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Roman

#18 August 20, 2008, 06:01:02 am

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The article is up, by the way.

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#19 August 20, 2008, 08:33:17 am

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I didn't hate Crash passionately or anything, I just thought it was pretty average and flimsy. It had no air of best picture around it at all and it went about the race issue in an incredibly simple and deliberate way.

I watched it and I didn't dislike it but I never cared to watch it again (even though we have it on DVD). Basically never thought about it after that either. I think if it wasn't a best picture winner then it wouldn't be as hated but it's still hardly deserving of any accolades.

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#20 August 20, 2008, 01:15:39 pm

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Quote from: headphonics on August 20, 2008, 03:35:01 am

what does this even mean

pretty self explanatory? it's heavy handed EVERYONE IS RACIST tripe (watch it again panda THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO IT, well actually the message is WE ARE ALL RACIST...OR ARE WE...) and got a lot of awards for white guilt basically.

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