I just saw "Knowing" on sunday, and jesus christ what a ripoff.

I went in expecting crap (it's a Nick Cage movie) and was pleasantly surprised when the movie had really awesome scenes, like when the airplane comes from out of nowhere and crashes right behind Nick Cage. Pretty awesome. The effects and everything were done really well. Then the plot twist comes, and everything starts making sense, and you find out this whole time you've been buying into metaphors and imagery all very well disguised. It's a fucking christian movie. If you thought Signs was bad, this will blow your mind. THe last half hour of the movie loses all subtlety. Suddenly there are angels flying around, the garden of eden story is retold, and I shit you not, there is an actual tree of knowledge in the movie.

I really would've enjoyed this movie much more if they could've either went all in the christianity bs, or left it out. At one point I actually thought a reincarnation of Jesus might show up. Terrible movie.

Aw, man. I wanted to see Knowing.

Oh well!

Yikes, thanks Mongoloid. Going to skip Knowing.

Winoya was in a decent Adam Sandler movie I think... Mr. Deeds?

Mr.Deeds was decent? really?

...i've watched it maybe 3 times (earlier this year), only because i had to show it to some friends.

second time was actually a lot better than the first since i first watched it at like 5 am with a friend and it completely went over my head as I could barely grasp my mind around what the hell was going on. second time it made sense. i could barely catch any of the french, all those years of education feel like a waste.

fuuuck, i can't take it anymore.

I just saw "Knowing" on sunday, and jesus christ what a ripoff.

I went in expecting crap (it's a Nick Cage movie) and was pleasantly surprised when the movie had really awesome scenes, like when the airplane comes from out of nowhere and crashes right behind Nick Cage. Pretty awesome. The effects and everything were done really well. Then the plot twist comes, and everything starts making sense, and you find out this whole time you've been buying into metaphors and imagery all very well disguised. It's a fucking christian movie. If you thought Signs was bad, this will blow your mind. THe last half hour of the movie loses all subtlety. Suddenly there are angels flying around, the garden of eden story is retold, and I shit you not, there is an actual tree of knowledge in the movie.

I really would've enjoyed this movie much more if they could've either went all in the christianity bs, or left it out. At one point I actually thought a reincarnation of Jesus might show up. Terrible movie.

I caught Knowing earlier today, and likewise I was pleasantly surprised. It was Roger Ebert's review that persuaded me to give it a shot, and measured-up against all of the other... "less positive" reviews, I was just expecting a good film.

And I totally agree with the masterful construction of the Lexington plane crash sequence. I was seriously shook-up after that. Really chilling stuff.

But I respectfully disagree with this point.

If anything the film appeared to take a somewhat neutral stance on whether Free Will or Determinism is the order of the Universe. Also, it attempted to present how such beings as Angels, and even God, could exist within the natural confines of the Universe.

What's so preachy about an alien race being able to predict the apocalypse, who then act upon this knowledge by selecting a number of Earth's children to populate another planet? I imagine that's as close to Divine Intervention as an athiest could conceive of being at all realistic or possible.

You could argue that the Tree of Knowledge was unecessary if the stance taken was indeed intended to be neutral, but its presence merely affirms the themes that have been explored throughout the film. I personally felt that the closing shot was absolutely breath-taking. The fusion of the context, the special effects, the music and Proyas' insistence on holding-on to that final frame for just long enough... expertly executed!

If anything the film appeared to take a somewhat neutral stance on whether Free Will or Determinism is the order of the Universe. Also, it attempted to present how such beings as Angels, and even God, could exist within the natural confines of the Universe.

What's so preachy about an alien race being able to predict the apocalypse, who then act upon this knowledge by selecting a number of Earth's children to populate another planet? I imagine that's as close to Divine Intervention as an athiest could conceive of being at all realistic or possible.

You could argue that the Tree of Knowledge was unecessary if the stance taken was indeed intended to be neutral, but its presence merely affirms the themes that have been explored throughout the film. I personally felt that the closing shot was absolutely breath-taking. The fusion of the context, the special effects, the music and Proyas' insistence on holding-on to that final frame for just long enough... expertly executed!

Dude come on, they set you up the EXACT same way the movie Signs did. There was nothing neutral about it: they have an atheist running around doing science, and then beat him until he realizes it was a test by god. Seriously the last scene was him admitting to his reverend father that he was wrong!!!!!!
The thing about the aliens saving the children (which by the way, they only saved the 2 kids, the other pods had animals (see Noah's Arc)), is that if it weren't entirely based in religion, and not practicality, then the aliens would not have waited until the end of the earth to save 2 children, but rather spend their 50 years maybe saving a few more?
Also, the tree of knowledge was ONLY in the movie for the few seconds to help along the few audience members that hadn't figured out where the symbolism was headed yet. I really hate to argue with you about this because it is stupid as hell, but if you really didn't get this stuff, you're probably either a christian or you watched a crappy bootleg version.
This movie didn't have to be crap! If they would've played it a bit cooler, and just straight up used the apocalypse and the second coming as opposed to masking it, this would've been pretty cool!

Anyway, this sunday I saw the Haunting in Connecticut. This is probably going to hurt my credibility pointing this out, but there was an awful lot of religion in this movie too. I felt pretty baffled by it after Knowing last week. But I didn't feel cheated like I did with Knowing, as they are praying before bed pretty much ten minutes into the movie. This was the first horror movie I've seen that I noticed never at least startled me. But anyway, they pray away a lot of the spooks, so I'd give it double bad marks. Don't see it unless you are a huge fan of Virginia Madsen. I should have seen Monsters and Aliens in 2d.