So I can actually get to Northrend.

Fair enough. I just hate leveling in outland enough that if the choices were:

Play northrend beta with an existing class and new talents/spells OR
Play outland AGAIN with a deathknight to even get to northrend

I know what I'd pick.


Also they haven't revamped dalaran just to make it INTERESTING, it's been yanked out the ground for whatever reason to northrend, it's going to be the shattrath style hub city thing.

I'm mostly wondering what the quests will be like in WotLK. Like some of the outland ones (by SOME I mean VERY FEW) were really interesting and entertaining. Like all the bombing runs and the one in SMV where Gorefiend takes you on his side, etc.

I just hope it's not KILL 10 BOARS or GET ME 20 RABBIT LEGS (where the legs would drop like 1 time out of 10).

Yeah, if I get into the beta I sure as hell won't play a death knight. I want to see and experience Northrend, not play as some angry, magical corpse with overly dramatic spell animations.

I just hope it's not KILL 10 BOARS or GET ME 20 RABBIT LEGS (where the legs would drop like 1 time out of 10).

What is wrong with this? Man, I'd be up for killing 200 rabbits. Bunny killing has always been an entertaining WoW past time!

there will always be those quests and lots of them, i actually like the KILL 10 OF X, KILL 10 OF Y, KILL 10 OF Z, KILL NAMED and get 20% of a level quests

Supposedly they're doing a lot better in the quests department for the next expansion. The feedback has been really great. I'm only anticipating that they're focusing more on the interactive quests and less on the grindfest ones.

there will always be those quests and lots of them, i actually like the KILL 10 OF X, KILL 10 OF Y, KILL 10 OF Z, KILL NAMED and get 20% of a level quests

Yeah they're good if you just wanna level quickly but they are mind numbingly boring. I'd prefer it if there were a few of those quests and more INTERESTING SHIT mixed in between. Right now the balance is totally off and there are way more boring grind quests.

Yeah they're good if you just wanna level quickly but they are mind numbingly boring. I'd prefer it if there were a few of those quests and more INTERESTING SHIT mixed in between. Right now the balance is totally off and there are way more boring grind quests.

Well if the normal Northrend quests are anything like the Death Knights (use a dragon to destroy a couple hundred soldiers and ballistas, fight a 1000v300 fight, use cannons to blow up the Scarlet Crusade..., etc) then it should be pretty damn good.

Here's hoping they aren't like the dumb Tuskaar achievement. WOO KILL 1 MILLION TUSKAAR. YEAH.

man did you really get a fucking beta key before me

If you're talking about me, no... I didn't get a beta key before you.

I got an alpha key. =P

Here's hoping they aren't like the dumb Tuskaar achievement. WOO KILL 1 MILLION TUSKAAR. YEAH.

That was a joke achievement and has been removed. =P

That was a joke achievement and has been removed. =P

Lawl.

I totally would have done it too....I hate Tuskaar. They suck.

I hope there are more Feats of Strength. Even if they give you 0 points they should have a ton more of them imo. But I guess they probably don't have past data on a lot of the stuff they could do FoS for. ;/

Okay so mage talents got improved a LOT now.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?mage

Highlights:

Imp Scorch now affects fire, frost and arcane damage
Brain Freeze gives frost damage spells a 15% chance to give instant mana free fireballs
Deep Freeze now does damage
Ice Barrier can now be talented to frost nova when it breaks like Shatter Shield
Winter's Grasp actually got nerfed into Fingers of Frost but it does much the same thing
They changed Living Bomb but I can't really tell if it's good or not yet..
Firestarter gives you a chance of instant flamestrikes on other aoes
NO MORE WAND SPECIALISATION, nice talent called Focus Magic in its place
Imp water elemental also heals your raid.
Spell Impact now increases damage done rather than crit chance
they unnerfed ice lance being unaffected by Arctic Reach
firey payback reduces damage taken when below 35% and makes pyroblast a 1.5 second cast (wouldn't low ranks be instant? :o)
Burnout is now not utterly terrible.
Prismatic cloak now makes invisibility an INSTANT fade out



I am really liking these changes a lot.

new empowered fireball and +crit damage talent = $$

Hey wow I didn't see that, trust you to notice that you crazy pver

oh my god they gave us longer duration DB disorient and knockback on blastwave too, fire's looking so rocking.

DB->scorch->blastwave->fireblast combo will now be DB->fireball->blastwave->[instant ][/instant]->fireblast that is some nutty burst right there.

there will always be those quests and lots of them, i actually like the KILL 10 OF X, KILL 10 OF Y, KILL 10 OF Z, KILL NAMED and get 20% of a level quests

The only problem with quests not involving killing a bunch of enemies is that you won't be leveling quickly. I agree they need to change quest formats, so they'll need to increase the EXP from quests to balance things out.

That's true but imo if the quests are actually INTERESTING AND FUN I won't feel the need to rush my character up to 80 anyway.

edit: man, they gave us 30% dispell resistance in tier 1 arcane too. I'm sorry to keep GUSHING about mage shit but the old beta talents were so shitty and these new ones are so nice...

http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?mage=0000000000000000000000000000050532031020501025215023105123032500000200000000000000000

imo

Yeah that looks good. I'd prolly drop one out of arctic winds for focus magic though cause that shit would add to our already tight dispel protection and is nice looking

oh man i never thought about that!

its about time mages got some love imo

and ret paladins got some good shit too. for a start; the Alliance is getting Seal of Blood via Seal of the Martyr and the Horde is getting Seal of Vengeance via Seal of Corruption which has been needed for a LONG time. Seal of Blood is pretty sick for ret pallies and Seal of Vengeance is pretty good for prot imo. Balance at last.


also some of the other good stuff:

Avenging Wrath no longer causes Forebearance, damage increase reduced to 20%, now increases healing done by 20%. 

Sanctified Wrath (Requires 35 points in Retribution) - Increases the critical strike chance of Hammer of Wrath by 25/50%, reduces the cooldown of Avenging Wrath by 30/60 secs and while affected by Avenging Wrath 25/50% of all damage caused bypasses damage reduction effects.

Swift Retribution (Requires 40 points in Retribution) - Your Retribution Aura also increases casting, ranged and melee attack speeds by 1/2/3%.

All auras now affect all raid members as well as party members within the area of effect.

Seal of the Crusader has been removed. The effects of Judgement of the Crusader have been folded into all relevant abilities.
 
Sheath of Light (Requires 20 points in Retribution) - Increases your spell power by an amount equal to 10/20/30% of your attack power and your critical healing spells heal the target for 20/40/60% of the healed amount over 12 seconds. 

Divine Storm (Requires 50 points in Retribution) - An instant weapon attack that causes Holy damage to up to ${$i-1} enemies within $a1 yards. The Divine Storm heals up to 3 party or raid members totalling $s2% of the damage caused.

The Art of War (Requires 40 points in Retribution) - Your damaging Crusader Strikes have a 5/10/15% chance to cause your next Judgement spell to cause double damage.

The Art of War is the reason retadins in WotLK beta are getting like ridiculous 19k judgement of command crits. Add the double damage from that to the double damage from the target being stunned and it's just silly. It will undoubtedly be fixed.




i'm lookin forward to this big time