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I'm going to download this, can't wait til I install this. Also Paint > Photoshop IMO.
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also wtf linux users never act high and mighty. do you live under a rock
GW is like the only forum I go to so I guess my experience is limited.  I just never see people with Linux stickers all over the place, bragging about their OS. 

If I could just get MS Office 07 on here (I don't know where my disc is), then I'll never need to use Vista on my laptop again.
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GW is like the only forum I go to so I guess my experience is limited.  I just never see people with Linux stickers all over the place, bragging about their OS. 

If I could just get MS Office 07 on here (I don't know where my disc is), then I'll never need to use Vista on my laptop again.
anyone who uses linux thinks linux is the best thing ever invented, thats why they bother usin that piece of shit in the first place
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Also Paint > Photoshop IMO.
Unless you're this guy... WRONG.
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is it worth downloading this shit?
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is it worth downloading this shit?

it is, if you fancy a change. it is a lot better than vista, it looks better and pretty much everything just works. and I've had no problems with anything at all.

EDIT: also that mona lisa mspaint thing is amazing.
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man fucking DILBERT had several jokes about the superiority complex of linux/unix users its kind of a thing.
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man fucking DILBERT had several jokes about the superiority complex of linux/unix users its kind of a thing.

This is so true. There's this linux user who does some of my units in EEng and he has the worst case of this imaginable. He actually gets physically riled up if you wind him up about it so much that it has become a bit of a hobby...

Yes I do spend all my time winding people up... I'm childish
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okay guys, i am a complete beginner at this thing (i am not going to install windows 7 myself, i am leaving that to my friend who works in an it shop, i'm not THAT stupid to be fooling around with my OS) but basically i have questions:

- if i install windows 7, will i have to back up all my files?
- will this fuck anything up? like hardware/software

i have not heard anything bad said about windows 7 yet, so i am very eager to try it (especially as my laptop has only 1GB RAM and vista hogs that like a bitch) and i will be leaving this to a professional to install etc, but i am pretty clueless when it comes to this sort of stuff. cheers.
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- if i install windows 7, will i have to back up all my files?
DEFINITELY.

- will this fuck anything up? like hardware/software
Most laptops have a partition that you can backup to if you want to start anew, I am not sure if windows7's bootscreen will accommodate for this.

It goes without saying that you should not attempt this if you do not have troubleshooting/technical expertise yourself as it is only a beta and you will be nagging your nerd friend like a bitch if anything goes wrong.
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My opinions on Windows 7:

First of all, I did not have anywhere near as smooth as an installation as any of you say. The first few steps went fine, but then all of a sudden these error messages started popping up out of nowhere about deleted files (I do not remember the exact error messages, but they just kept coming). I then ran check disk and found that there were TONS of errors on that partition. It took about half an hour to fix all of these errors. Then I restarted the Windows 7 installation and everything went fine.

I then started up Windows 7 and found several things I didn't like. First of all, Windows 7 did not detect my video card / monitor. This means that I was stuck with a maximum of 1024 X 1280 (I think) resolution. I then popped in my monitor drivers CD and it installed those. I then clicked on my monitor management icon on my desktop and Windows 7 said "The shortcut has been deleted, do you wish to delete this shortcut?" or something of the same nature. I then tried to change my resolution again and it was the same as before. I then tried my video card drivers and when I put the CD in it gave me the autorun message. I selected the Autorun.exe that was on the disk and it said "The drive E:\ could not be found. The source is either missing or corrupt." Or something like that, I am reciting these from memory. So then I thought, ok the disk is probably screwed up, it is pretty old and it wasn't in any case.

So I wanted to go online to find the drivers. Internet explorer? No thank you. So I went to go download Firefox, a pretty easy process, right? Well I first load up internet explorer and went to Mozilla's website to download Firefox. Once I got there, the little internet explorer download window thing with the progress bar and the "Open", "Open Folder" and "Close" buttons on it and the cute little image of the earth and the piece of paper flying into your documents on it came up. Then a little error message came up saying "The source <some random server url> could not be located." Soon thereafter, it closed the dialog box. I thought to myself, "Ok, what now?" I then went into C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\ and opened the Firefox that I have installed on Windows XP (I have Windows XP installed on the C:\ partition and Windows 7 installed on the W:\ partition). Once I opened firefox.exe another little error message came up that was basically the same thing as when I was trying to read from my CD Rom drive. Eventually I got bored and went back into Windows XP. When I loaded up Windows XP, check disk came up saying something about the W:\ drive. I let it run and sure enough, there were a TON of orphaned files and messed up indexes on it. Once that was done I tried again and Internet Explorer let me download Firefox and it let me load Firefox, but I still couldn't get my video card or monitor drivers to work.

Another thing I didn't like was the lack of a quick launch bar. This is really annoying because I LOVE the quick launch bar. The whole idea of pinning stuff to the task bar is great, but the problem is, if I click the Firefox button that I have pinned, it GOES AWAY. This prevents me from using it to open another Firefox window like I usually do. Also, what the heck is up with the "Show desktop" button being in the lower right hand corner? Is it just me, or is this simply awkward? The "Show desktop" button is probably one of my top 5 most used buttons on my computer, and they had to go and throw it into a very inconvenient place and make it so I can't move it.

Also, what happened to the file, edit, etc menus? I never used Vista, so that might be my problem. I actually only installed Vista to use Windows 7. I always loved the File / Edit / other menus, so why remove them? Are they trying to make life harder?

The final part of my rant is about paint. Why did they have to Office 2007tise it? I hate the layout of Office 2007 and I hate the way the new paint looks. Sure, paint needs an upgrade, but it's not the same anymore. The ONE THING I wanted them to do with paint is make it so you can 1600 X Zoom in on it, but they didn't even do that. They just added some random brush textures, removed the default color palette, which I liked, and butchered the layout. Most of the hotkeys are different, such as Control + R used to be Rotate, but is now Enable/Disable Rulers. They also removed a lot of the simplicity to it. I LOVED using paint because it was extremely simple. Fire it up, do a few simple edits and BOOM I was done. Now I have to navigate through a maze of different drop down menus to find the right tools and brushes. It is quite annoying.

And yes, I know it's a beta, but still. The beta reflects what it will be like in the future, and I do not like where some of the design choices are going. Sure, some of the errors are going to happen, but they shouldn't happen to the extent that they did.

On a positive note, I do think that the visual effects of this windows are really neat. Overall I think it is ok, but I probably wouldn't pay money for this without some serious improvements.

Or maybe I'm just hard to please, who knows :rite:​.
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Another thing I didn't like was the lack of a quick launch bar. This is really annoying because I LOVE the quick launch bar. The whole idea of pinning stuff to the task bar is great, but the problem is, if I click the Firefox button that I have pinned, it GOES AWAY. This prevents me from using it to open another Firefox window like I usually do. Also, what the heck is up with the "Show desktop" button being in the lower right hand corner? Is it just me, or is this simply awkward? The "Show desktop" button is probably one of my top 5 most used buttons on my computer, and they had to go and throw it into a very inconvenient place and make it so I can't move it.

Also, what happened to the file, edit, etc menus? I never used Vista, so that might be my problem. I actually only installed Vista to use Windows 7. I always loved the File / Edit / other menus, so why remove them? Are they trying to make life harder?

hey man the new taskbar is awesome. i cannot even begin to fathom why you would want to open a new firefox window, but in the grand scheme of things it's better to go to "file -> new window" (control + n) to open a new window. the way the taskbar functions is far superior, from a usability perspective. Yeah, you don't have the luxury of just clicking the button to open a new window, but seeing as how you should rarely need to do this, it doesnt make sense to make that the default behavior when its much more fluid and intuitive the new way.

Also the reason the show desktop button is there is a very good one, its all about usability: if you are like most people, you only have one monitor, so the show desktop is all the way in the bottom right corner. for the same reason that the start button being in the lower left corner is great (you can get to it quickly), now its the same thing with the show desktop. Because its in the corner, it is effectively an "infinitely tall, infinitely wide button", so if you want to show your desktop? move your cursor all the way to the bottom right.  The corners of your monitor are prime areas because anything placed on them effectively becomes "infinitely" tall and wide. The close button is in the upper right, start button lower-left, application menu upper left (i think office has the quick button menu thing up there, a great feature), and now show desktop. if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. placing it in the quick tray next to the start button makes no sense, its just where you're used to it being for so many years.

i have two monitors so, it is kinda screwed up for me, as i dont have an infinitely wide/tall lower right corner. However, i love how if you just hover over it, you can peek at your desktop. ive already used that feature a TON. also if you hover over one preview on the task bar, all windows will "hide" and you can "peek" at that one, also very useful.

Also the file/edit etc menus will show up if you press "alt" . I noticed this when IE7 first came out. I think there is an option in ie7 to turn it off (always display menu bar) or maybe its defaulted to that, i dunno but perhaps there's an option in the os as well? if you find it let me know, but otherwise alt will make it show up.
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hey man the new taskbar is awesome. i cannot even begin to fathom why you would want to open a new firefox window, but in the grand scheme of things it's better to go to "file -> new window" (control + n) to open a new window. the way the taskbar functions is far superior, from a usability perspective. Yeah, you don't have the luxury of just clicking the button to open a new window, but seeing as how you should rarely need to do this, it doesnt make sense to make that the default behavior when its much more fluid and intuitive the new way.

Also the reason the show desktop button is there is a very good one, its all about usability: if you are like most people, you only have one monitor, so the show desktop is all the way in the bottom right corner. for the same reason that the start button being in the lower left corner is great (you can get to it quickly), now its the same thing with the show desktop. Because its in the corner, it is effectively an "infinitely tall, infinitely wide button", so if you want to show your desktop? move your cursor all the way to the bottom right.  The corners of your monitor are prime areas because anything placed on them effectively becomes "infinitely" tall and wide. The close button is in the upper right, start button lower-left, application menu upper left (i think office has the quick button menu thing up there, a great feature), and now show desktop. if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. placing it in the quick tray next to the start button makes no sense, its just where you're used to it being for so many years.
@New taskbar, what is so good about it? Even if I look past the fact that the quick launch is gone, I still noticed that you cannot use the mouse wheel button (aka the middle button) to close a window. It just flashes the buttons for some reason. I haven't looked into this too much so I'm not sure if I am doing something wrong here. Also I think the new window thing is sort of a habit, but why can't they just have the option there? Why eliminate a perfectly good function (the quick launch)? Furthermore, by "the way the taskbar functions is far superior, from a usability perspective" do you include the fact that you can reorganize the buttons? Because I think you are overlooking the fact that there are programs that allow you to do this in XP and Vista as well. I also don't like the new menu thing that they added when you right click something on the task bar. From what I can remember, there are a very limited number of options that it gives you (pin / unpin and close are the only ones I can remember. I don't remember minimize being there, but it might have been there).

@Show desktop, I think I didn't fully develop that point because I went on about something else and forgot to come back to it. What I was trying to say is that I have a habit of going to the lower left corner (On my computer I have the show desktop button right next to the start button). I do not like going down to the lower right corner because this makes your cursor go off screen. I know this doesn't affect whether you click it or not, but I think it's a bad design choice. I don't know why, but I hate the lower right corner of my screen because when I look at my monitor I look at the upper left corner most of the time. This is just how I prefer it. Again, this is just probably because of the fact that I've always used the button right next to the task bar. I would like it if they would make that element movable; most of the other features are, why can't this one (the show desktop button)?
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I don't know much about the new taskbar but all your complaints seem to be from habit not form any kind of desire for actual usability.

Microsoft have got criticised for not doing anything but reskinning their not especially well designed ui since windows 95, it's nice to hear they've hired some actual human interface experts lmao

You say you look at the top left of the screen mainly? That makes it even better design for a show desktop mouse area to be in the bottom right: you're reading something top left of the screen and you want to look at your desktop icons (also by default located the top left of the screen). Because you can't overshoot the bottom right of the screen you can show desktop without taking your eyes off of the interesting part of the screen. It's the same as most common-sense people on XP getting rid of that show desktop button and using wkey+D shortcut to show desktop, because you can do it without search-and-clicking an icon.
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You might be right on that, I didn't exactly think about it that way. My major point is why isn't it movable. I keep saying this which is probably making it seem redundant, but seriously. Why would you make a feature like that unmovable?

I could definitely get used to clicking the right corner, and you're right, it is a smart place to put it, but I would rather it be somewhere else.
Most of my problems probably aren't anything that other people would really care about, they're just things that I noticed that I didn't exactly like. Some people might love them.

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However, i love how if you just hover over it, you can peek at your desktop. ive already used that feature a TON. also if you hover over one preview on the task bar, all windows will "hide" and you can "peek" at that one, also very useful.
I did not know this :O.
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i really like windows 7 the only problem was when it first started i had no display drivers and it only found my HDMI out as a sound card...then I deleted all the catalyst software and reinstalled it AND EVERYTHING WORKED

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okay guys, i am a complete beginner at this thing (i am not going to install windows 7 myself, i am leaving that to my friend who works in an it shop, i'm not THAT stupid to be fooling around with my OS) but basically i have questions:

- if i install windows 7, will i have to back up all my files?
- will this fuck anything up? like hardware/software

i have not heard anything bad said about windows 7 yet, so i am very eager to try it (especially as my laptop has only 1GB RAM and vista hogs that like a bitch) and i will be leaving this to a professional to install etc, but i am pretty clueless when it comes to this sort of stuff. cheers.

I did the upgrade install on my Vista SP1 and all my files and programs were still there after the installation and worked perfectly. However, backing up is always a good idea when switching OS.
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id say backup anyway since come august..........
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You might be right on that, I didn't exactly think about it that way. My major point is why isn't it movable. I keep saying this which is probably making it seem redundant, but seriously. Why would you make a feature like that unmovable?

it means that people don't have to spend an hour customising all the basic functions of windows before they can use it effectively.
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First of all, I did not have anywhere near as smooth as an installation as any of you say. The first few steps went fine, but then all of a sudden these error messages started popping up out of nowhere about deleted files (I do not remember the exact error messages, but they just kept coming). I then ran check disk and found that there were TONS of errors on that partition. It took about half an hour to fix all of these errors.
Next time perform a complete format (i.e. not a quick format) using NTFS before installing.

The whole idea of pinning stuff to the task bar is great, but the problem is, if I click the Firefox button that I have pinned, it GOES AWAY. This prevents me from using it to open another Firefox window like I usually do.
Left click is focus/minimize.

I still noticed that you cannot use the mouse wheel button (aka the middle button) to close a window.
Middle click is new instance (e.g. akin to File > New Window). Middle click on the preview image is close/quit.

Also, what happened to the file, edit, etc menus? I never used Vista, so that might be my problem. I actually only installed Vista to use Windows 7. I always loved the File / Edit / other menus, so why remove them? Are they trying to make life harder?
Go to "Organize > Layout > Menu bar".