haha I didn't say anything about importance thanks for putting words in my mouth, I just think you might have overstated the stigma of being Mexican in the Mexican-American heartland that is California, in comparison to an Irishman in 50s/60s/70s Britain.

edit: talking about typecasting because of his background but naming the topic 'mr. roarke is dead!'

@Marcus: I'm starting to notice you like to try and make people sound stupid whenever possible.

And yes the Trek Curse! I die a little inside each time one of the cast members pass away. They were supposed to live forever... FOREVER MAN! *cry*

Jesus, for a moment, my heart sank because I thought you'd meant MICKEY ROURKE. lol

Phew.

haha I didn't say anything about importance thanks for putting words in my mouth, I just think you might have overstated the stigma of being Mexican in the Mexican-American heartland that is California, in comparison to an Irishman in 50s/60s/70s Britain.

edit: talking about typecasting because of his background but naming the topic 'mr. roarke is dead!'

do you even know your american history?

1940s california was not this blissfully wonderful world where hispanics were a respected demographic.  and nowhere in my post did I say anything about importance perhaps you're feeling guilty rockman?

I just think you might have overstated the stigma of being Mexican in the Mexican-American heartland that is California, in comparison to an Irishman in 50s/60s/70s Britain.

what does this even mean??

are you trying to start a fight over "which actor accomplished the most?"  are you suggesting that segregated america and prejudice britain are on two different levels here?  that the rights of a particular race and the rights of a particular nationality are on two separates levels of importance?  this is like someone saying "hey, american slavery was worse than apartheid amirite?"

I don't even know what kind of point you're making here but to me you sound like you're saying Montalban had it EASY in a country that's been racially divided since its creation.

@Marcus: I'm starting to notice you like to try and make people sound stupid whenever possible.

Sound stupid nothing.  I just want some clarification here.  Do we really want to start a argument on WORTH by saying "Irishman in prejudice Britain = more important than Hispanic in prejudice America?"

i mean

never mind an Irish actor making his name in London at the height of IRA activity there's mexican actors in california?!?

what is this even supposed to be mean?  THERE'S IRISH ACTORS IN BRITAIN WHOAH I TOTALLY DIDN'T KNOW!  McGOOHAN IS AMERICAN-IRISH WOW THIS IS EVEN BETTER!  SARCASM HIDES MY IGNORANCE GO ME

1940s california was not this blissfully wonderful world where hispanics were a respected demographic.

sorry I don't deal in hyperbole. I don't remember saying anything like this either?

and nowhere in my post did I say anything about importance

but both actor's pretty much had the same importance in their respective countries.

w/e maybe i'm misinterpreting this but you did post it in bold face and used the precise word!

what does this even mean??

do you even know anything about the troubles?

are you trying to start a fight over "which actor accomplished the most?"

where did I even mention this, good luck finding that

are you trying to start a fight over "which actor accomplished the most?"  are you suggesting that segregated america and prejudice britain are on two different levels here?  that the rights of a particular race and the rights of a particular nationality are on two separates levels of importance?  this is like someone saying "hey, american slavery was worse than apartheid amirite?"

I don't even know what kind of point you're making here but to me you sound like you're saying Montalban had it EASY in a country that's been racially divided since its creation.

fuck I am stopping here, I am not going to address any of this because you are pulling this shit out of thin air, I haven't said any of this.

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Rockman replies with

never mind an Irish actor making his name in London at the height of IRA activity there's mexican actors in california?!?

implying that american-irish in britain has a rougher time than mexican in california

Can you not defend this statement?  I can't call you out on it because you imply I'm putting words in your mouth but answer this question. 

Was your original statement, which I quoted above, not an attack against Montalban's achievements for hispanic actors in a period where America hated anyone who wasn't white and pure?

Just answer that question.  That's all I need to hear because that's where my confusion is being stemmed from.

A mexican actor in california in the 1940s who was taken seriously as an actor in a time when anyone who wasn't white was used as an extra, stereotype, or inept side-kick designed to make the hero look smart.

an irishman in britain in a time where irish people were engaging in guerilla warfare against british rule

oh but wah, i only get bit parts...

do you understand anything about the IRA? any history outside of america?

he is saying that montalbans achievements are not as important as you think they are.

implying that american-irish in britain has a rougher time than mexican in california

no, not at all, you are reading too much into it.

my feeling on it is that they were in pretty similar situations. do you fully understand the impact of the IRA (the Provisional IRA in this case)? 1800+ civilians died as a result of 'fighting' between the IRA, Ulster loyalists and the UK during a time period that coincided with McGoohan's career, including civilians of both the UK and Ireland as a result of bomb attacks by the IRA. that's people's husbands, wives, sons, daughters, and of course that built a lot of resentment for Irish people in the UK (half of my family can attest to this!), not to mention older people with memories of the war of independence. anglo-irish resentment wasn't even new then, it's been going on for hundreds of years. put in the same context as anti-German feeling after World War II or anti-Muslim feeling after 9/11 (though probably not in the same league) and maybe that'll give a better understanding. it's still no fun and games for an anglo-irishman today!

basically I am saying that both actors had to battle prejudice during their careers and I was making a joke about how you'd singled out montalban for this topic and mentioned his battle with prejudice and forgotten patrick mcgoohan who was in a similar mould. I guess it has been blown out of proportion!

I wouln't have put it in the same way as dom but he is nearly there! I guess what I mean is they are not comparitively better than McGoohan's, they'd just seem so from your point of view.

I was making a joke about how you'd singled out montalban for this topic

this is because he just died

errr, so has patrick mcgoohan...

errr, so has patrick mcgoohan...

yeah but this isn't his death topic, you're upset with marcus for focusing on the guy who this topic is about

no, not at all, you are reading too much into it.

my feeling on it is that they were in pretty similar situations. do you fully understand the impact of the IRA (the Provisional IRA in this case)? 1800+ civilians died as a result of 'fighting' between the IRA, Ulster loyalists and the UK during a time period that coincided with McGoohan's career, including civilians of both the UK and Ireland as a result of bomb attacks by the IRA. that's people's husbands, wives, sons, daughters, and of course that built a lot of resentment for Irish people in the UK (half of my family can attest to this!), not to mention older people with memories of the war of independence. anglo-irish resentment wasn't even new then, it's been going on for hundreds of years. put in the same context as anti-German feeling after World War II or anti-Muslim feeling after 9/11 (though probably not in the same league) and maybe that'll give a better understanding. it's still no fun and games for an anglo-irishman today!

basically I am saying that both actors had to battle prejudice during their careers and I was making a joke about how you'd singled out montalban for this topic and mentioned his battle with prejudice and forgotten patrick mcgoohan who was in a similar mould. I guess it has been blown out of proportion!

I wouln't have put it in the same way as dom but he is nearly there! I guess what I mean is they are not comparitively better than McGoohan's, they'd just seem so from your point of view.

i singled him out because this is a topic about ricardo montalban not patrick mcgoohan!!  if you guys want to talk about mcgoohan then make a mcgoohan topic and yeah the guys died 1 day apart but i made a topic about this guy not the other guy!

yeah but this isn't his death topic, you're upset with marcus for focusing on the guy who this topic is about

pretty much this.  does someone else want to make a topic about mcgoohan or shall i edit the first post to honor them both?

i singled him out because this is a topic about ricardo montalban not patrick mcgoohan!!

my point is the reasoning behind making the topic about montalban in the first place. you made the topic about montalban, i made the joke about picking up on montalban and missing mcgoohan (why not combine both similar topics into one easy to manage topic?) and you know the rest. i'm not sure there is even anything to discuss!

yeah i mean if you want to talk aboutpatrick macgoohan maybe you should make a topic about him instead of storming into other topics "an accomplished actor just died? Why not talk about this other accomplished actor?"

fff one joke is not storming into this topic, i was challenged about it and i've answered.

i was gonna make a mcgoohan / montalban topic yesterday but i guess since we've mcgoohan'ed up this topic now it might as well stay that way!

my point is the reasoning behind making the topic about montalban in the first place. you made the topic about montalban, i made the joke about picking up on montalban and missing mcgoohan (why not combine both similar topics into one easy to manage topic?) and you know the rest. i'm not sure there is even anything to discuss!

because i didn't even know mcgoohan was dead until niikatakakaktaka mentioned it and i've seen maybe 2 of his films and never noticed he was an exceptional actor or anything.

thanks for ruining my topic guys i'm going to room to sulk

welcome to gw

is it just me or has tehre been a lot of "____ died", "____ was born" topics in general lately?
what's with that?

I thought this was about Patrick Roark from the sin city comics heh


I dont know that guy at all.... I never really watched star trek (or spy kids heh)

KHAANNN!!!! is dead.

Kirk is pleased.